Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

[~Rocktar~]

Wish we could figure this out. Wish we could cast off this 2 party system how political parties stifle thought and logic and turn us against each other. See Geo. Washington opinion on political party.

Need to come up with wholesale solution, need prevention and response. Dems need to realize getting rid of guns and demonizing gun owners is infeasible barring constitutional amendment revoking the second amendment. Fund SROs or vets - best practices/data show that single SRO not enough to fight a shooter . Keep in mind how all of these events end - don't fall into fallacy of "more guns=more carnage". Fund school infrastructure to prevent/mitigate. I have seen tech like bulletproof curtains etc.

Republican need to realize 2ad is not a suicide pact and can have reasonable restrictions like 1ad (time/place) restrictions. Need to keep these things out of the hands of mentally ill. Red flag laws allowing for constitutional due process hearings to prevent wrongful taking. Social media/school flagging for suicidal/homicidal ideation. Mental screening for purchase, excluding ownership from mentally ill conforms with 2ad because those with mental illness were historically and currently excluded from "militia" service. Cannot totally discount preventative measures in favor of SROs unless we go to Israeli style schools, which I think is universally disfavored.

Outside of that, need cultural change. How can we move away from violence centered culture? Need more grace, treat people with dignity and respect, shun culture of "owning libs/republitards", support children/youth programs, parenting programs.

Wonder if anyone here will agree with me, I have a feeling not! If we can't find common ground and figure something out within our legal/constitutional system, might as well just bag it, complain on social media, and send thoughts and prayers per usual...

(Btw I am not against praying, because I would hope those that do can open their hearts to take action to their deities calling for peace since nearly every religion compels peace and cooperation)

Israel has the right and most effective approach. They had a massive school shooting nearly 50 years ago, they live in a war zone. They put armed guards at schools, like really armed, not just a beat cop with a sidearm, we are talking like European airport security armed guards. They armored schools with strong doors, restricted access and so on. They then offered training to staff who volunteered in order so that they could be armed, trained and equipped to defend kids in the case of attack. They haven't had a school shooting since. End "Gun Free Zones"

The rest of the crap you outlined is a suicide pact of restrictions rife with abuse that will get even more people killed and has already with red flag laws and so on. Acquiescence, laws and disarmament doesn't and hasn't worked even in countries where it's basically impossible to own a gun. Vigilance, responsibility and emotional strength in the never ending battle against evil has proven the only effective means of prevention/deterrence. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts yet here we are again with people arguing that some law will make up for their lack of moral courage and emotional maturity.

The only thing that stops a bad guy from committing violence is a good guy willing to commit violence on behalf of the innocent and if needs be lay down his life in the defense of others. Nothing else has ever protected people and society effectively and it's time we as a society re-learn that.

[~Rocktar~]

That is a disgusting lie. Please go to hell.

Which part? The fact that he is a Hispanic transsexual or the fact that the media won't talk about him at all other than how he is a victim and a poor troubled youth and how they will only push the gun control narrative? Both of which are absolute facts in evidence right now.

BTW, what is abstinence and how are Conservatives going to regulate or ban it? Thinking people want to know.

[Gelston]

That is a disgusting lie. Please go to hell.

It isn't though, and I've never told you to die for the stupid shit you said. Perhaps you are mentally ill.

[Seran]

Acquiescence, laws and disarmament doesn't and hasn't worked even in countries where it's basically impossible to own a gun. Vigilance, responsibility and emotional strength in the never ending battle against evil has proven the only effective means of prevention/deterrence. To say otherwise is to ignore the facts yet here we are again with people arguing that some law will make up for their lack of moral courage and emotional maturity.

Hasn't worked? That is a bold face lie, considering European Union as a whole has gun deaths a tenth of our 10.6 per 100,000, at only 0.9 per 100,000. Gun violence in the EU is the rare event BECAUSE OF GUN CONTROL. Whereas in our country it's a daily occurrence with mass shootings seemingly every couple of weeks at least. It's been shown time and time again that gun violence is purely a result of our lax gun control measures.

[Seran]

Which part? The fact that he is a Hispanic transsexual or the fact that the media won't talk about him at all other than how he is a victim and a poor troubled youth and how they will only push the gun control narrative? Both of which are absolute facts in evidence right now.

BTW, what is abstinence and how are Conservatives going to regulate or ban it? Thinking people want to know.

He wasn't a transsexual. That was a 4chan created lie brought mainstream by Rep Gosar and since debunked and removed. Of course your party would try to shift the dialog to LGBT instead of the gun violence and mass murder perpetuated by Republicans

[Methais]

It isn't though, and I've never told you to die for the stupid shit you said. Perhaps you are mentally ill.

Seran clearly shouldn't own a gun.

[Tgo01]

Nominees for PC member most likely to commit a mass shooting:

Seran

[Seran]

Aside from the smoke screens put up by the Right to protect their rights to put guns in the hands of killers let's look at the facts.

Salvador Ramos was an 18 year old man, and Uvalde resident.

Salvador purchased two assault rifles on his 18th birthday, in a state with no age restrictions to gun ownership and which allows permitless open carry.

Robb Elementary School in Uvalde had only a partial perimeter fence, was not kept locked during school hours and their security officer failed to prevent entry into the school. The side entrance was not secure, unsurprising for an underfunded Texas public school.

Uvalde Police waited more than forty minutes before attempting to stop the gunman who'd barricaded himself in a classroom, having been allowed to go on a killing spree by their cowardice.

The shooter wasn't stopped until Federal agents, with the Customs and Border Patrol who were begged for backup, stormed the barricade and stopped the Texas man from getting into another classroom.

Legal gun ownership caused the problem and legal gun ownership of others did nothing to prevent the massacre. The second in four years for the state of Texas.

[Suppressed Poet]

Aside from the smoke screens put up by the Right to protect their rights to put guns in the hands of killers let's look at the facts.

Salvador Ramos was an 18 year old man, and Uvalde resident.

Salvador purchased two assault rifles on his 18th birthday, in a state with no age restrictions to gun ownership and which allows permitless open carry.

Robb Elementary School in Uvalde had only a partial perimeter fence, was not kept locked during school hours and their security officer failed to prevent entry into the school. The side entrance was not secure, unsurprising for an underfunded Texas public school.

Uvalde Police waited more than forty minutes before attempting to stop the gunman who'd barricaded himself in a classroom, having been allowed to go on a killing spree by their cowardice.

The shooter wasn't stopped until Federal agents, with the Customs and Border Patrol who were begged for backup, stormed the barricade and stopped the Texas man from getting into another classroom.

Legal gun ownership caused the problem and legal gun ownership of others did nothing to prevent the massacre. The second in four years for the state of Texas.

You have to be 18 years old to buy a rifle and 21 years old to buy a handgun. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about on the subject of firearms or the state of Texas.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Not going to answer any of my questions?