Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[Gelston]

A big lesson is how obsolete the tank is becoming.

[Parkbandit]

There are videos and Russia says it happened.

Ukraine has denied this attack.. and it could be Russian disinformation (lol)

I don't believe half of what is coming out.

[Parkbandit]

That's kind of what I've been thinking.

It's great that Ukraine didn't just roll over and let Russia take over, like the Afghan military/government did, but at what cost? It's been over a month and Ukraine is just playing defense and Russia is turning entire cities into rubble so even if Russia pulls out someday it will take Ukraine probably decades to recover.

Even if Russia doesn't get to install their puppet government they have pretty much already won. Fuck Russia.

Russia is making their military look like a complete joke though, so there is that.

What would you have Ukraine do? Just surrender?

[Tgo01]

What would you have Ukraine do? Just surrender?

No. I'm just saying, Russia pretty much already won. I highly doubt Russia actually wanted to annex all of Ukraine so they don't give a shit about Ukraine cities being turned to rubble. They probably wanted to quickly install a puppet government but reducing Ukraine to ashes is probably a pretty close second for them.

[Gelston]

Ukraine has denied this attack.. and it could be Russian disinformation (lol)

I don't believe half of what is coming out.

From what I've read only the foreign minister had spoken on it and he said was basically along the lines of I cannot confirm or deny it, because I don't know military information.

[Alfster]

No. I'm just saying, Russia pretty much already won. I highly doubt Russia actually wanted to annex all of Ukraine so they don't give a shit about Ukraine cities being turned to rubble. They probably wanted to quickly install a puppet government but reducing Ukraine to ashes is probably a pretty close second for them.

How'd they win? They managed to get a united front against them. NATO was the weakest its ever been, and they've shown exactly how weak their military is.

Wars a bitch but all they've done is shown they're no real threat even in their own region, let alone across the pond

[Seran]

Building on what has been said, I honestly don't know if the cost of helping Ukraine is worth it moving forward. Economically, it's a money sink for the United States and Zelensky, his cabinet and Parliament have all said in recent days, they expect the Western nations to come together and contribute to rebuilding Ukraine, with the US shouldering most of the cost in a modern Marshall Plan. Funny though, how Zelensky has gotten before the cameras several times insulting the same governments he's begging for help from.

It's poorly ran political game by the Ukrainians, insulting the United States with the hopes of manipulating President Biden into action by giving ammunition to his political rivals. He honestly needs to shut the fuck up and stop biting the hand that's feeding him.

[Gelston]

Building on what has been said, I honestly don't know if the cost of helping Ukraine is worth it moving forward. Economically, it's a money sink for the United States and Zelensky, his cabinet and Parliament have all said in recent days, they expect the Western nations to come together and contribute to rebuilding Ukraine, with the US shouldering most of the cost in a modern Marshall Plan. Funny though, how Zelensky has gotten before the cameras several times insulting the same governments he's begging for help from.

It's poorly ran political game by the Ukrainians, insulting the United States with the hopes of manipulating President Biden into action by giving ammunition to his political rivals. He honestly needs to shut the fuck up and stop biting the hand that's feeding him.

God you're an idiot.

[Tgo01]

They managed to get a united front against them.

Not really. Plenty of countries are lining up to do business with Russia. Europe is still begging Russia for gas and oil.

Wars a bitch but all they've done is shown they're no real threat even in their own region, let alone across the pond

And now they'll probably spend even more money beefing up their military using money Europe, China, and their new buddy India gives them.

[Gelston]

Not really. Plenty of countries are lining up to do business with Russia. Europe is still begging Russia for gas and oil.



And now they'll probably spend even more money beefing up their military using money Europe, China, and their new buddy India gives them.

They already had an expensive military. They need to change their doctrine, that is something money can't buy.