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    In WWII news 3/21/22:

    Russia Breaks Off WWII Peace Talks Over Japan's Stance On Ukraine Invasion

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-japan.../31763675.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo View Post
    In WWII news 3/21/22:

    Russia Breaks Off WWII Peace Talks Over Japan's Stance On Ukraine Invasion

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-japan.../31763675.html
    Peace talks to Russia means total capitulation to Putin's demands, can't blame them for their stance as after all they have land Russia has illegally occupied too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    I feel so bad for pro Russian sympathizers being marginalized in politics while Russia is marginalizing Ukraine's cities and civilians with their bombs.
    Nobody is sympathizing, I simply stated that the Ukrainian president just banned all opposition parties and is trying to nationalize Ukrainian media.

    Kind of makes the whole "We're fighting for Democracy" argument, null and void.

    I can't imagine what it must feel like spending the past 5 years calling fellow American's NAZI's and then turning around and supporting the arming of actual NAZI's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    Nobody is sympathizing, I simply stated that the Ukrainian president just banned all opposition parties and is trying to nationalize Ukrainian media.

    Kind of makes the whole "We're fighting for Democracy" argument, null and void.

    I can't imagine what it must feel like spending the past 5 years calling fellow American's NAZI's and then turning around and supporting the arming of actual NAZI's.
    Russia already did that anyways, so if anything they are being more like Russia. In other news

    Komsomolskaya Pravda, the pro-Kremlin tabloid, says that according to Russian ministry of defense numbers, 9,861 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine and 16,153 were injured. The last official Russian KIA figure, on March 2, was 498.

    The figures were promptly removed shortly after.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    Russia already did that anyways, so if anything they are being more like Russia. In other news

    Komsomolskaya Pravda, the pro-Kremlin tabloid, says that according to Russian ministry of defense numbers, 9,861 Russian soldiers died in Ukraine and 16,153 were injured. The last official Russian KIA figure, on March 2, was 498.

    The figures were promptly removed shortly after.
    So we're literally spending 10's of billions to not defend Democracy.

    Sounds reasonable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    So we're literally spending 10's of billions to not defend Democracy.

    Sounds reasonable.
    To oppose Russian expansionism. Protect fledgling democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Peace talks to Russia means total capitulation to Putin's demands, can't blame them for their stance as after all they have land Russia has illegally occupied too.
    Illegally occupied since the end of fighting in WWII.

    I'm not sure why the mainstream media isn't picking up very much on Japan's bristling over these islands and Russian activity over there lately. With Russia now taking a more openly oppositional stance to Japan while continuing to occupy said islands and route reinforcements through them, I'll be curious to see if Japan's reactions remain verbal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo View Post
    Protect fledgling democracy.
    Explain how banning opposition parties is working towards Democracy?



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    A 95 year old concentration camp survivor was just killed by Russians in Ukraine.
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    Dmitry Medvedev, former president of Russia who still holds a position in the Russian government, posted a public warning to Poland on his Telegram account. I ran it through Google Translate. The results are posted below. I'm sure some of the meaning was obscured by the translation. Still, it's pretty bad. What senior politician writes like that in foreign policy announcements? Inapt analogies. Way too many superlatives. If the translation is correct, he called Poland a "community of political imbeciles."

    About Poland.

    While Europe is painfully aware of the damage that anti-Russian sanctions will inflict on it, our most beloved European country, as always, ran ahead of the speeding steam locomotive. Literally.

    Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, together with Deputy Prime Minister Kaczynski, as well as the prime ministers of the Czech Republic and Slovenia, traveled to Kyiv on a specially guarded train. Almost like Ilyich in an armored car with German money.

    We talked with Zelensky, promised friendship and help. They lied, of course. Returning, Morawiecki solemnly announced the development of a program for "de-Russification of the Polish and European economy." Courageously specifying that "this may be costly."

    Absolutely and completely right: expensive and pointless. But Poland can no longer take into account the costs. Everything that she could lose because of her own long-term pathological Russophobia has already been lost. So now, as the beloved neighbors of the Poles say, "the shed burned down - burn down the hut."

    When it comes to Russia, Poland literally writhes from "phantom pains." It is very difficult for its elites to come to terms with the fact that the Time of Troubles almost 400 years ago ended with the expulsion of the Polish occupiers from the Kremlin. That the great empire of the Commonwealth did not take place later. And the reason for this is not the intrigues of Russia, but internal squabbles, corruption, economic failures, lost battles. And so - for many centuries.

    Polish propaganda is the most vicious, vulgar and shrill critic of Russia. Community of political imbeciles.

    Despite the fact that in our country it is not customary to hush up even the darkest pages of our common history, in Poland they dream of forgetting about the times of the Second World War. First of all, about those Soviet soldiers who defeated fascism, expelled the invaders from Polish cities and did not let them blow up Krakow, liberated the prisoners of Auschwitz and Majdanek.

    History is now being redrawn, monuments are being demolished. But the fascist occupation is openly equated with the "Soviet". It is difficult to come up with a more deceitful and disgusting rhetoric, but the Poles succeed.

    At the same time, there are no anti-Polish sentiments in Russia and never have been. Sociologists testify that the citizens of our country are quite friendly towards this people. It is impossible to forget the outburst of sympathy and compassion caused by the plane crash near Smolensk, when a high-ranking delegation led by the president died. People carried flowers to the embassy and churches, expressed condolences in the press and social networks. In Russia, I, as the head of state of the country, declared a day of mourning.

    Later, during my visits to Poland, I became convinced that our countries have no obstacles to improving relations, this is a road with oncoming traffic. However, the political elites, led by the PiS party of Kaczynski No. 2, controlled by the American masters, did everything to block the normal path.

    Now the interests of the citizens of Poland have been sacrificed to the Russophobia of these mediocre politicians and their puppeteers from across the ocean with clear signs of senile insanity. The decision to abandon the purchase of Russian gas, oil and coal, the opposition to Nord Stream 2 have already caused serious damage to the economy of this country. Now it will only get worse. The same applies to many other steps, which are based not on the economy, but on politicking under the guise of “de-Russification”. But now it is much more important for the vassal Polish elites to swear allegiance to their overlord - America, than to help their own citizens, so they will constantly support the fire of hatred for the enemy in the face of Russia.

    What will citizens gain from this? Absolutely nothing.

    But sooner or later they will understand that hatred of Russia does not strengthen the society, it does not contribute to well-being and tranquility.

    And vice versa: economic cooperation with our country is beneficial for the Poles, human ties are indispensable, and cultural and scientific exchange between the birthplaces of Pushkin and Mickiewicz, Tchaikovsky and Chopin, Lomonosov and Copernicus is vital. And most likely, then they will make the right choice - on their own, without prompting and pressure from overseas elites suffering from dementia.

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