Russia Just Invaded Ukraine

[time4fun]

Well, we could stop buying their oil and make ourselves energy independent again. We could sell natural gas to the EU so they wouldn't be beholden to Putin. We could have kept energy costs low and not allowed Putin to stockpile cash and supplies on the backs of the Western energy economy. We could have not had a POTUS saying on national TV that invasion was mostly ok. But hey, no more meat tweets.

Fuck you Leftist shills, this blood is all on you. So far, you haven't been able to have a POTUS since before Carter that managed to not start a war.

So you might want to read up on topics before you start posting utterly illogical arguments about them.

Leaving aside the fact that, as usual, you are throwing around a bunch of unfounded claims and acting like they have an effect they do not...the US only imports about 5% of its oil from Russia. Europe is the primary importer of Russian oil, accounting for 60% of Russia's oil exports. China is another 20%. So I'm not sure what massive impact you think us moderating our own oil imports from Russia would have on them.

Regarding natural gas, this is another of those situations where you're just parroting talking points without really thinking them through. First, the EU gets to decide from where it imports its natural gas. Secondly, exporting massive amounts of our own natural gas raises prices at home. Third, our natural gas is already some of the cheapest in the world. It's just kind of expensive to transport it across an entire ocean first *then* to transport it across Europe.

And finally, there's the incredibly obvious reason why no one did this: Russia would have taken it as a virtual act of war on the part of the US and Europe (EU + Norway) if there were a coordinated effort to deny it 60% of its natural gas export revenue- which the country relies HEAVILY on.

Bonus reality check for you- if we really wanted to end dependence on Russian oil we would have been investing heavily in renewable energy sources. But idiots like you got your "science" from paid political hacks and kept us from doing it. Oh and now our planet is probably past the point where we can stop it from becoming unlivable for most of the world. So I would recommend sitting down, shutting up, and reflecting on your own stupid political choices.

[~Rocktar~]

So you might want to read up on topics before you start posting utterly illogical arguments about them.

Leaving aside the fact that, as usual, you are throwing around a bunch of unfounded claims and acting like they have an effect they do not...the US only imports about 5% of its oil from Russia. Europe is the primary importer of Russian oil, accounting for 60% of Russia's oil exports. China is another 20%. So I'm not sure what massive impact you think us moderating our own oil imports from Russia would have on them.

Regarding natural gas, this is another of those situations where you're just parroting talking points without really thinking them through. First, the EU gets to decide from where it imports its natural gas. Secondly, exporting massive amounts of our own natural gas raises prices at home. Third, our natural gas is already some of the cheapest in the world. It's just kind of expensive to transport it across an entire ocean first *then* to transport it across Europe.

And finally, there's the incredibly obvious reason why no one did this: Russia would have taken it as a virtual act of war on the part of the US and Europe (EU + Norway) if there were a coordinated effort to deny it 60% of its natural gas export revenue- which the country relies HEAVILY on.

Bonus reality check for you- if we really wanted to end dependence on Russian oil we would have been investing heavily in renewable energy sources. But idiots like you got your "science" from paid political hacks and kept us from doing it. Oh and now our planet is probably past the point where we can stop it from becoming unlivable for most of the world. So I would recommend sitting down, shutting up, and reflecting on your own stupid political choices.

Yay, the moron chimes in again with a double dose of retardation. If keeping the sanctions against Nordstream 2 was an act of war, why didn't Putin attack before when it was banned? Oh, right, you are making shit up again to protect your narrative. Being energy independent was a reality and because of our lack of buying on the world stage, the price of oil was pretty low, now it's at 40 year highs. It's been high a long time which enriches Russia among others while improvising the West and the poor of the West most. Why do you hate poor people so much?

And then there is the whole exporting gas thing, well, there are a lot of ways we could make our gas more attractive to buy but hey, we don't want to do that since it would help our allies and would go against the Left's pipe dream of solar and wind based on even more lies about climate change. You really are pulling out all the retard stops tonight.

Party on murderer, the Left continues to make excuses, get people killed and wage war on the poor. Good job.

[time4fun]

Anyone who hasn't read this article should seriously consider doing so. I've been reading a LOT of articles on this- as I know many others here have- but none have left me as scared as this one. I'll leave this quote here:

One European official privy to intelligence briefings provided to U.S. allies said analysts in Washington had reached a terrifying conclusion: “Russia is ready to use a thermonuclear bomb in Ukraine,” the official said.

The official said the war in Ukraine was far more dangerous than anything Europe has seen since the end of World War II, including the Balkan wars of the 1990s.

“As horrible as that was,” the official said, “this is worse, with the potential of getting a real European war, or a world war very quickly. This is just getting deeper and deeper, every day.”

[~Rocktar~]

Yep, WWIII caused by the Left's bullshit priorities. Really scary, when are you morons going to admit that you are wrong and out of your depth.

But yey, no mean tweets.

[time4fun]

Yay, the moron chimes in again with a double dose of retardation. If keeping the sanctions against Nordstream 2 was an act of war, why didn't Putin attack before when it was banned? Oh, right, you are making shit up again to protect your narrative. Being energy independent was a reality and because of our lack of buying on the world stage, the price of oil was pretty low, now it's at 40 year highs. It's been high a long time which enriches Russia among others while improvising the West and the poor of the West most. Why do you hate poor people so much?

And then there is the whole exporting gas thing, well, there are a lot of ways we could make our gas more attractive to buy but hey, we don't want to do that since it would help our allies and would go against the Left's pipe dream of solar and wind based on even more lies about climate change. You really are pulling out all the retard stops tonight.

Party on murderer, the Left continues to make excuses, get people killed and wage war on the poor. Good job.

1) Because shutting down Nordstream 2 does not, in any way, affect *current* energy export income in Russia. And it's also in response to the invasion of Ukraine. It's not an aggressive, unprovoked move by most of the collective West to decimate 60% of one of Russia's two most critical sources of income without even pretextual justification.

There's nothing remotely analogous about what I was discussing and the situation with Nordstream 2 except that I guess both are related to energy? I genuinely hope you understand that and are just being disingenuous in your argument. Because if you didn't catch that yourself, that would be concerning.

2) On that point, I can't help but wonder if you really understand that a line implying that "liberals" didn't want to artificially lower our natural gas export prices (through some means you have yet to identify) because it would help our allies is candidly quite delusional. If you really think that "the evil left" intentionally avoids things that help our allies then you really are just living in a cartoon world in your head. One where you apparently can't do math as prior to Biden, 12 of the last 20 years we had a Republican in the White House and they certainly didn't think this was a good idea. (spoiler alert- it's not)

3) Finally, while you certainly weren't clear on what these "climate change lies are" (and I highly doubt you could list and support any relevant examples), it's VERY apparent what you're generally implying. And that means you've hit the point of brainwashing. No one is arguing over the science right now. There is global scientific consensus on what we've done and what we're doing. The only thing people can't quite agree upon is whether or not it's already too late to change course.

You're the worst kind of fool: one whose ignorance is dangerous to those around you.

[Gelston]

Establish a no fly zone.

Force is the only thing Putin understands. He's a bully.

He's lived with sanctions for the past what.. 10 years? How is that strategy working out for us? Hasn't really hurt him at all.

A no fly zone is armed intervention and war. To establish a no fly zone we'd first take out all their anti-air capabilities and we'd also be shooting down their air craft. That is WW3.

[Neveragain]

Establish a no fly zone.

Force is the only thing Putin understands. He's a bully.

He's lived with sanctions for the past what.. 10 years? How is that strategy working out for us? Hasn't really hurt him at all.

Tin soldier goes "herp, derp"

Time4malebreastfeeding even understands how stupid of an idea this is.

[Solkern]

Facebook has been banned in Russia.

It hasn’t been.

[Gelston]

It hasn’t been.

All this disagrees. https://www.google.com/search?q=face...TF-8#cobssid=s

I mean, they may be inept but here is an official site saying it too.

https://rkn.gov.ru/news/rsoc/news74156.htm

[Solkern]

All this disagrees. https://www.google.com/search?q=face...TF-8#cobssid=s

I have no issues using Facebook, nor does anyone I know…