Things that you have taken seriously today (Political version)

[Seran]

You mean like they used the DPA over the past 2 years?
You meant "paid to produce" not "forced to produce" right?
Your thinking is a political one.. not what a Doctor is supposed to do. We're not talking limited quantities based upon human death/donation to provide a resource (human organ transplants)... we're talking about a manufactured material.

By your logic... all people with Aids, should not get medical help. All people with severe STDs, should not get medical help. All obese or fat people, should not get medical help. All athletes, should not get medical help. All people that fuck themselves up on 4th of July with fireworks, should not get medical help. Etc. etc. etc.

Those are all that individuals life choice right? Those choices all led to their hospitalization right? So, per your logic, none of them should get help.

Your logic is the same rationality that dictators, authoritarian regimes... and insurance companies... like to use.

You're comparing a limited resource, ie monoclonal antibodies and transplant organs which need to be rationed, to chronic disease treatments which do not have supply limitations in the United States. Those aren't comparable in the slightest.

Your irrational comparisons aside, do you have a legitimate reason why a scarce and critical medical resource shouldn't be rationed? "Because freedom" isn't a legitimate reason.

[Seran]

Seriously though, people suffering severe illnesses whose lives would be saved by monoclonal antibodies should not be left to die because Joe Rogans, Governor Abbotts and Joe Antivaxxers have a mild coronavirus infection.

[Shaps]

You're comparing a limited resource, ie monoclonal antibodies and transplant organs which need to be rationed, to chronic disease treatments which do not have supply limitations in the United States. Those aren't comparable in the slightest.

Your irrational comparisons aside, do you have a legitimate reason why a scarce and critical medical resource shouldn't be rationed? "Because freedom" isn't a legitimate reason.

"Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) are produced by introducing an antigen to a mouse and then fusing polyclonal B cells from the mouse's spleen to myeloma cells. The resulting hybridoma cells are cultured and continue to produce antibodies to the antigen."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK100189/

Produced as I said - nothing comparable to organ transplants.

Your irrational arguments aside, do you have a legitimate reason why a medical treatment that is available should be rationed? "Because stuff" isn't a legitimate reason.

You make the mistake of me telling you what's what as a statement against vaccination... which could not be further from the truth. This is a statement on how the Government... instead of promoting, producing, and ensuring a viable and proven medical treatment for Covid is arbitrarily reducing its availability.

And you want to say, "well people don't deserve it"? You're one of those that's bought into the "hate your neighbor" narrative because your government has told you to. Sad to see.

Edit: And of course you don't address any of the other "life choice" examples I provided... as you know your argument is ignorant and short-sighted.

[Seran]

"Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) are produced by introducing an antigen to a mouse and then fusing polyclonal B cells from the mouse's spleen to myeloma cells. The resulting hybridoma cells are cultured and continue to produce antibodies to the antigen."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK100189/

Produced as I said - nothing comparable to organ transplants.

Your irrational arguments aside, do you have a legitimate reason why a medical treatment that is available should be rationed? "Because stuff" isn't a legitimate reason.

You make the mistake of me telling you what's what as a statement against vaccination... which could not be further from the truth. This is a statement on how the Government... instead of promoting, producing, and ensuring a viable and proven medical treatment for Covid is arbitrarily reducing its availability.

And you want to say, "well people don't deserve it"? You're one of those that's bought into the "hate your neighbor" narrative because your government has told you to. Sad to see.

Edit: And of course you don't address any of the other "life choice" examples I provided... as you know your argument is ignorant and short-sighted.

Both donor organs and monoclonal antibodies are in high demand and in short supply and as a result, the distribution is controlled. That you cited how the medical treatment is produced is irrelevant, the supply is limited and to ensure fair distribution the federal government is stepping in.

Vaccines reduce infection and they reduce the severity of breakthrough cases. If more people were vaccinated, the availability of monoclonal antibodies wouldn't be an issue. See how cause and effect work?

Your so called life choice arguments were hyperbolic and not relevant to the discussion, so no they were completely disregarded.

[Shaps]

Both donor organs and monoclonal antibodies are in high demand and in short supply and as a result, the distribution is controlled. That you cited how the medical treatment is produced is irrelevant, the supply is limited and to ensure fair distribution the federal government is stepping in.

Vaccines reduce infection and they reduce the severity of breakthrough cases. If more people were vaccinated, the availability of monoclonal antibodies wouldn't be an issue. See how cause and effect work?

Your so called life choice arguments were hyperbolic and not relevant to the discussion, so no they were completely disregarded.

Again... if something that can be produced.. is in short supply.. you increase production. The fact they are not, and their first step is to reduce availability... tells you all you need to know.

The life choice arguments are not hyperbolic... it's what you're advocating for leads to. A doctor will treat you only if you meet an administrative "social score", instead of providing medical assistance when needed. Did you think the hate over insurance companies that abused the legalese to deny patients care was a fluke or something? And you want to give that power to the Government? C'mon.. I know you're not that stupid.

[Shaps]

This video explains the current capability of people to think logically...

ROFL

[Seran]

Again... if something that can be produced.. is in short supply.. you increase production. The fact they are not, and their first step is to reduce availability... tells you all you need to know.

The life choice arguments are not hyperbolic... it's what you're advocating for leads to. A doctor will treat you only if you meet an administrative "social score", instead of providing medical assistance when needed. Did you think the hate over insurance companies that abused the legalese to deny patients care was a fluke or something? And you want to give that power to the Government? C'mon.. I know you're not that stupid.

More hyperbole. Ensuring a limited supply of a critical medication, treatment or resource is equally avaliable to states is a very far fling from your nonsense slippery slope theory. Furthermore, doctors are the ones in the states receiving the allocation on whom will receive treatment. Unlike your fantasy world, people who walk into a hospital demanding specific treatment are subject to medical justifications.

Yes, supply should be increased and hopefully it will. But until such time as supply increases sufficiently or demand decreases sufficiently, the Feds will make sure equal access occurs.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

More hyperbole. Ensuring a limited supply of a critical medication, treatment or resource is equally avaliable to states is a very far fling from your nonsense slippery slope theory. Furthermore, doctors are the ones in the states receiving the allocation on whom will receive treatment. Unlike your fantasy world, people who walk into a hospital demanding specific treatment are subject to medical justifications.

Yes, supply should be increased and hopefully it will. But until such time as supply increases sufficiently or demand decreases sufficiently, the Feds will make sure equal access occurs.

So this is what federal control of your healthcare looks like. Limited options. Hmmmm.

[Methais]

So this is what federal control of your healthcare looks like. Limited options. Hmmmm.

Seranpk thinks that if we go full socialism then everything he likes will remain the same, but everything will be free.

And if you think otherwise then it's because you hate brown people.

[Seran]

So this is what federal control of your healthcare looks like. Limited options. Hmmmm.

Yes, if by you mean tens of millions have have healthcare and no one agency or state can horde a specific treatment of resource. Welcome to the 21st Century grandpa, you can out away your leeches. Ma doesn't have to drive to Wisconsin now for her back pills.