Taliban taking over Afghanistan

[Tgo01]

Looks like the Biden administration is already pushing the blame onto Americans if they remain trapped in the country after the US pulls out:

When asked why the United States did not begin evacuating our citizens and allies from Afghanistan sooner, the acting U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Ross Wilson said they were given more than enough warning to leave since March or April.

"Never in my 40 years of working, since I began working at the State Department, have I seen such strong language used. People chose not to leave. That's their business. That's their right," Wilson told CBS News on Wednesday. "We regret now that many may find themselves in a position that they would rather not be in. And we are determined to try to help them."

[Alfster]

I mean. They did freely travel to a war torn country. That piece is on them.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to get them out, but they chose to be there.

[drauz]

Looks like the Biden administration is already pushing the blame onto Americans if they remain trapped in the country after the US pulls out:

What should they have done, assuming this is true?

[Tgo01]

Doesn't mean we shouldn't do what we can to get them out, but they chose to be there.

What should they have done, assuming this is true?

Oh I don't know...maybe Biden should have been honest from the very beginning and said "We expect the Afghan government to completely fail within a few months after we leave so we encourage all US citizens to leave the country immediately."

Instead just a month ago he was singing the Afghan government's praises and saying they can hold off a Taliban attack.

[Solkern]

Oh I don't know...maybe Biden should have been honest from the very beginning and said "We expect the Afghan government to completely fail within a few months after we leave so we encourage all US citizens to leave the country immediately."

Instead just a month ago he was singing the Afghan government's praises and saying they can hold off a Taliban attack.

Well, when you travel to a war torn country, you should understand that shit can happen at any time and on extremely short notice, we can agree to that. If you are on the state departments STEP program, I’m 100% sure you were told of the current situation. From what I read the embassy told US citizens to get out from August 7th, offering full funding for it as well(I’ve never heard of full funding ever happening before, so it must have been extremely serious)
Now I’m in no way taking away from the absolute shit show and royal fuck up that has happened/is happening in Afghanistan.
The ones that chose to stay and are still there understood the full gravity of the risk that came with being in that country. Yes we should of course 100% help them. But the blame is partly on them.

If the state department told me to get the fuck out and we will pay for everything, I’m getting the fuck out ASAP.

[Solkern]

Oh I don't know...maybe Biden should have been honest from the very beginning and said "We expect the Afghan government to completely fail within a few months after we leave so we encourage all US citizens to leave the country immediately."

Instead just a month ago he was singing the Afghan government's praises and saying they can hold off a Taliban attack.

Think of it like, a giant ass cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on the states, they give you short time to evacuate, yet some idiots chose to stay and end up dying or are forced to be rescued causing others to die because of it.

Regarding the second point, I think the Afghan government might have been a way too overconfident in their ability to fight the Taliban. They quite possibly could have told us they could handle them.

[Tgo01]

Well, when you travel to a war torn country, you should understand that shit can happen at any time and on extremely short notice, we can agree to that.

Yes but again why didn't Biden just be honest? He straight up lied to the American people and made it sound like the Afghan government was just gonna be another normal and functioning government that could take care of its shit. Biden certainly didn't tell everyone that he expected the Afghan government to fall within a few months and that everything was okay, because he wanted to be credited with ending the war and if the government fell a few months later OOPS! I didn't know that would happen!

Let's not draw blame away from Biden for being a liar and place the blame on the victims here.

If Biden had said back in March that intelligence reports suggested the Afghan government was going to collapse within several months after US troops withdrew and urged Americans to leave immediately then I would say okay, this is on those people who waited until the last minute to evacuate. But he didn't do that.

[Tgo01]

Think of it like, a giant ass cat 5 hurricane is bearing down on the states, they give you short time to evacuate, yet some idiots chose to stay and end up dying or are forced to be rescued causing others to die because of it.

Except Biden DIDN'T warn US citizens of the imminent collapse of the Afghan government.

[Solkern]

Yes but again why didn't Biden just be honest? He straight up lied to the American people and made it sound like the Afghan government was just gonna be another normal and functioning government that could take care of its shit. Biden certainly didn't tell everyone that he expected the Afghan government to fall within a few months and that everything was okay, because he wanted to be credited with ending the war and if the government fell a few months later OOPS! I didn't know that would happen!

Let's not draw blame away from Biden for being a liar and place the blame on the victims here.

If Biden had said back in March that intelligence reports suggested the Afghan government was going to collapse within several months after US troops withdrew and urged Americans to leave immediately then I would say okay, this is on those people who waited until the last minute to evacuate. But he didn't do that.

Maybe Biden was given false intel by the Afghan government about their ability to handle the Taliban?

[Solkern]

Except Biden DIDN'T warn US citizens of the imminent collapse of the Afghan government.

The state department through the embassy in Afghanistan issued a warning on august 7th for Americans to get the fuck out, fully paid for.
I’m not sure if that’s enough time to evacuate or not, but I’m sure you would have left ASAP.

Once again, Biden ROYALLY fuck this up, he deserves the lion’s share of the blame. But the Americans that chose not to listen to the warnings, chose to be in this war-torn country and chose to stay deserve some of the blame as well.