Taliban taking over Afghanistan

[Shaps]

Also, shit like this just drives me insane:

https://news.yahoo.com/state-departm...195547568.html

It's a fucking warzone. Our leaders should be with loud voices saying and telling the Taliban.. "We ARE moving in to get our people, you WILL stand aside while we collect our people, or you WILL be KILLED." - "Americans we will come for you".

Instead this administration seems to think they might offend the Taliban or some shit. Like we haven't been there for years and are just heading back in. It's odd.

I can't recall a time where an administration has openly said, we're not coming for you. It's always been, we WILL get you out - whatever it takes.

[Solkern]

Don't disagree with this, but a few things would need clarifying.. as I'm sure they'll eventually/maybe? do..

From reports so far:

-The Military leadership was issuing these warnings, and for the most part they were ignored or discounted.
-Supposedly the plan that was in place from the previous administration was conditions based (who knows what those were, but doesn't seem disputed so far?), and the threat of retaliation from US forces was much more likely than the altered plan/timeline the new administration implemented.
-The Military was tasked and responsible for drawing down military personnel and closing their bases, and that's what they did.
-The discrepancy comes in from the civilian side of the house with the State Department personnel and contractors (the majority of Americans left), and which falls outside the purview/chain of command (as you know) of the military.

Either way, it's a sad day for the United States as a whole. Withdrawing majority of personnel, sure. How it was done, no.

The real problem is the pompousness of Biden - in his own words, paraphrasing here, "he's the most knowledgeable President ever on foreign affairs" and his angry remarks to reporters when asked questions prior to this whole debacle where he stated, again paraphrasing, "It's all good and it won't be like that".

For those reasons, because he does make the final decision, it falls on him in my opinion.

Hopefully there is some FOIA requests that shed some light on the decision making process with a review.

Going back to July, here was the real turning point/bad decision that cascaded into this whole fiasco in my opinion - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...after-n1272958 -

1. Biden himself set the date of Sept. 11th.. you have to be crazy to do that. I guess he wanted something "symbolic". Well he got it.
2. Bagram should have been the very last thing closed down to ensure this didn't happen.
3. The current administration thought their civilian and State Department personnel would just be all hunky-dory in Kabul after all the military personnel left. That's just ignorant, hopeful, wishful thinking.

There are a lot of people to blame for this, Biden being the face of the country takes the heat for every decision made under his watch. This withdraw was an absolute shit show. That being said, I think any withdraw would have been a shit show anyways.

[~Rocktar~]

My big question in all of this shitshow is this: Where were all these mobs of Taliban hiding all these years that we weren't mowing them down wholesale?

[Solkern]

My big question in all of this shitshow is this: Where were all these mobs of Taliban hiding all these years that we weren't mowing them down wholesale?

That’s actually a damn good question.

[Shaps]

There are a lot of people to blame for this, Biden being the face of the country takes the heat for every decision made under his watch. This withdraw was an absolute shit show. That being said, I think any withdraw would have been a shit show anyways.

Don't disagree really, but there are some glaring things that happened prior that just lays it squarely at his feet - not just because he's the "face of the country".

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/02/polit...ons/index.html

-Asked by reporters: His reply "I want to talk about happy things"
-Negotiations had stalled by this point, when they were ongoing during the previous administration. Why?
-And lastly, it was the naive presumption by this administration that the State Department personnel could just "hang out" after the military had left. Because all those troops were sent back in to get them out, not other military personnel.

This administration thinks they can Tweet, or say some stern words at a press conference, and people will give two shits what they're saying or will listen. It's laughable, and we as a Nation are going to pay for it.

Sad to watch.

[Parkbandit]

I like this cop out that Dreaven always relies on to preference lies and outright fabrications. There's no way that you and Tucker Carlson haven't been butt buddies since he joined Fox. His white supremacist propaganda and your conservative conspiracies and fabrications are basically the same script.

Seriously.. what a faggot, right?

My favorite is when ultra effeminate liberals call others faggots when they disagree with them.

[Parkbandit]

The absolute best part about all of this is Biden could have stuck to Trump's withdrawal plan and he could have easily just said "Blame Trump...he made the plan, I just followed through."

Instead he pushed it back and changed the plan so HE could be credited with ending the Afghanistan war, and now that it's biting him on the ass brain dead fuckers like Seran still want to give him the benefit of the doubt and blame literally everyone else but Biden. Poor, demented Uncle Joe, he doesn't know what he's doing so he can't be held responsible for all of the suffering he has caused!

He is still blaming Trump though.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe because highly unlikely and impossible mean completely different things?
Let me help you. One means there is a possibility, the other means there is no possibility.
It’s ok PB Engrish is hard for you. Must be the jet lag.

President Biden inferred that this wouldn't happen... and it did.

But you concentrate all your entire brain "power" that President Biden didn't say the exact word "impossible"... because that somehow changes everything.

And make sure that is the hill you defend until the end.

Great job!

[Parkbandit]

Biden royally fucked everyone would agree. This is the third time I’ve mentioned this to you.

"Everyone" isn't agreeing that Biden "royally fucked". There are plenty of people defending Biden's actions.

Damn.. this is easy!

[Solkern]

President Biden inferred that this wouldn't happen... and it did.

But you concentrate all your entire brain "power" that President Biden didn't say the exact word "impossible"... because that somehow changes everything.

And make sure that is the hill you defend until the end.

Great job!

It’s ok PB I understand Engrish is hard for you. Let’s try again? Retards always need things repeated to them to help them have a better chance of understanding.

Tgo said Biden said it impossible!(0% chance of happening)
I asked where did Biden say this?
Tgo sends an link and quotes Biden said “it’s highly unlikely”
See the difference? Here let me help you with another version

Would people still buy lottery tickets if it was IMPOSSIBLE(0% chance) to win?
Imagine the lottery company said it’s highly unlikely you’ll win the lottery! People spend millions only to find out that the company made it impossible, the lottery replies, “highly unlikely, and impossible?! There’s no real difference!” (You and Tgo’s logic). Actually yeah, there is a big difference.

It’s not about the word “impossible” it’s about Tgo floating false information as fact.

Probably still too difficult for you to comprehend. Don’t even know why I try.