Taliban taking over Afghanistan

[Seran]

Hey where are all those whiners who bitch when I supposedly "lie" about shit here to bitch about Seran completely making up what I said in this very thread?

As I have said before...what IS Biden's fault is this complete shitshow of a withdrawal. Why are tens of thousands of Americans still trapped in Afghanistan? That's all on Biden, don't you dare blame anyone else for that shit.

What is also Biden's fault is him throwing everyone under the bus, including the entire Afghan army some of whom did try and have been trying to years. You hate it when people paint in broad strokes like this right? Of course you do, just not when it's literally the worst president in the history of the world, simply because he happens to be a Democrat.

At least pretend to care about the people you claim to care about, you complete fraud hack.

Tens of thousands? What the fuck are you smoking. 10,000-15,000 American civilians was the number released. That is ten thousand, singular and not plural.

But please, tell us more about the withdrawal initiated by Trump in January 2020 when he negotiated handing over the country to the Taliban.

[Tgo01]

Tens of thousands? What the fuck are you smoking. 10,000-15,000 American civilians was the number released.

It’s not tens of thousands! It’s only 15k that Biden has left stranded in Afghanistan!

Holy shit you and Solkern are complete jokes.

[Seran]

These happy, brain dead Lay-Z-Boy warriors crying about how the Afghanistan army just needed more time and woe woe woe they were betrayed for not having our army there forever more.

I mean really, actual servicemen have told you that what your saying is nonsense. You really need to look beyond your local Fox affiliate for information.

[Gelston]

It’s not tens of thousands! It’s only 15k that Biden has left stranded in Afghanistan!

Holy shit you and Solkern are complete jokes.

Honestly, I put that on the military leaders. They are the ones that would have created the actual plan.

[Gelston]

Biden's plan seemed to be he would withdraw the military and everything would proceed as normal as Afghanistan. It didn't eve occur to him that something like this could happen. Ultimately being the commander in chief this should fall on him, both for the withdrawal and not having proper evacuation procedures in place.

Sure, he is ultimately responsible, but there are also generals that have done their job for 40 years that are involved too.

[Stanley Burrell]

[Tgo01]

Sure, he is ultimately responsible, but there are also generals that have done their job for 40 years that are involved too.

Oh I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around, but as far as this withdrawal fuckup goes I don't think we can go back 20 years and say well this is all Bush's fault.

I don't think Biden is solely to blame for the Taliban taking over, I'm sure that was bound to happen no matter who was president. How fast that would have happened and how many people we would have left stranded I think would have differed greatly depending on who was president.

[Solkern]

"HE NEVER USED THE WORD IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" -Solkern 2021

Jesus......

Maybe because highly unlikely and impossible mean completely different things?
Let me help you. One means there is a possibility, the other means there is no possibility.
It’s ok PB Engrish is hard for you. Must be the jet lag.

[Solkern]

What an absolute shitshow. But hey at least Solkern is focusing on the important issue here, and that is Biden just said it was "highly unlikely" the Taliban would take over and never used the word "impossible."

I know it’s difficult for you use proper words in English or at least speak the truth.
Biden royally fucked everyone would agree. This is the third time I’ve mentioned this to you.
But maybe you should use Google and try to understand the differences between the false statement you gave, and the actual statement Biden gave.

[Shaps]

Honestly, I put that on the military leaders. They are the ones that would have created the actual plan.

Don't disagree with this, but a few things would need clarifying.. as I'm sure they'll eventually/maybe? do..

From reports so far:

-The Military leadership was issuing these warnings, and for the most part they were ignored or discounted.
-Supposedly the plan that was in place from the previous administration was conditions based (who knows what those were, but doesn't seem disputed so far?), and the threat of retaliation from US forces was much more likely than the altered plan/timeline the new administration implemented.
-The Military was tasked and responsible for drawing down military personnel and closing their bases, and that's what they did.
-The discrepancy comes in from the civilian side of the house with the State Department personnel and contractors (the majority of Americans left), and which falls outside the purview/chain of command (as you know) of the military.

Either way, it's a sad day for the United States as a whole. Withdrawing majority of personnel, sure. How it was done, no.

The real problem is the pompousness of Biden - in his own words, paraphrasing here, "he's the most knowledgeable President ever on foreign affairs" and his angry remarks to reporters when asked questions prior to this whole debacle where he stated, again paraphrasing, "It's all good and it won't be like that".

For those reasons, because he does make the final decision, it falls on him in my opinion.

Hopefully there is some FOIA requests that shed some light on the decision making process with a review.

Going back to July, here was the real turning point/bad decision that cascaded into this whole fiasco in my opinion - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/militar...after-n1272958 -

1. Biden himself set the date of Sept. 11th.. you have to be crazy to do that. I guess he wanted something "symbolic". Well he got it.
2. Bagram should have been the very last thing closed down to ensure this didn't happen.
3. The current administration thought their civilian and State Department personnel would just be all hunky-dory in Kabul after all the military personnel left. That's just ignorant, hopeful, wishful thinking.