Russia Investigation Heating Up

[time4fun]

The biggest issue with an improper Pardon is going to be standing. There aren't really that many Pardon cases out there, and the ones I can think of all involved the person receiving the Pardon going to Court. It's sort of unclear who has standing to sue if a Pardon is given.

Mueller's team *should* have standing, I think? Also Congress in their role as oversight on the Executive. I keep meaning to go look this up, and I never get around to it.

On the plus side, the Courts have repeatedly ruled that Presidential powers exercised for the personal benefit of the President aren't owed the same deference as actions taken for the good of the country.

[Tgo01]

The biggest issue with an improper Pardon is going to be standing. There aren't really that many Pardon cases out there, and the ones I can think of all involved the person receiving the Pardon going to Court. It's sort of unclear who has standing to sue if a Pardon is given.

Mueller's team *should* have standing, I think? Also Congress in their as oversight on the Executive. I keep meaning to go look this up, and I never get around to it.

On the plus side, the Courts have repeatedly ruled that Presidential powers exercised for the personal benefit of the President aren't owed the same deference as actions taken for the good of the country.

Are you still trying to claim that Mueller is going to take Trump to court if he pardons Manafort? Come on.

And now you're saying Congress can do something about it? Please stop, you're going to cause me eye strain with all of this eye rolling.

"Improper pardon." Almost as funny as cwolff's "it's complicated!"

[Tgo01]

There aren't really that many Pardon cases out there, and the ones I can think of all involved the person receiving the Pardon going to Court.

Your sentence here is ambiguous. Are you saying you can't think of someone who received a presidential pardon before they went to court?

How about Richard Nixon?

[Androidpk]

Pardoning Manafort and others currently being looked at by the OSC would be investigated for obstruction of justice and put in the report for Congress.

[Tgo01]

Pardoning Manafort and others currently being looked at by the OSC would be investigated for obstruction of justice and put in the report for Congress.

Your and time4fun's ability to just make up shit that sounds good to you is amazing.

[Neveragain]

Your and time4fun's ability to just make up shit that sounds good to you is amazing.

Reading their shit is like white noise.

Their biggest fault is not being able to understand what the average voter cares about and what the average joe and jane are thinking about. These trials have become so convoluted that it's exhausted any political meaning for the average voter.

Simply put, they're terrible at converting their rhetoric into votes.

[time4fun]

ROFL

I hate to break it to you two, but you've been wrong EVERY step of this process. EVERY. SINGLE. STEP.

We've been right.

So maybe it's time you stop tuning out the white noise and start listening.

[Tgo01]

ROFL

I hate to break it to you two, but you've been wrong EVERY step of this process. EVERY. SINGLE. STEP.

We've been right.

So maybe it's time you stop tuning out the white noise and start listening.

Tell us more about Mueller bringing Trump to court if he pardons Manafort, and more about this so called "improper pardon." And oh yeah, how no one has ever received a pardon before going to court first.

[cwolff]

Oh boy, I guess the WH has been watching the news because now Rudy's "clarifying" his remarks. He didn't actually talk to trump about pardoning Manafort a few weeks ago. They only talked about the pardon Kim Kardashian wanted.

“Let me clarify: only conversation about a pardon was a generic one that occurred around the time of the commutation for the woman recommended by Kim Kardashian," Giuliani said in a statement reported by multiple outlets.

"Originally I thought it was 4 or 5 weeks ago but it turns out it was in early June. The conversation came about because there had been several pardons and the press kept asking about pardons and I wanted to give one answer,” Giuliani added.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...june-not-about

[Androidpk]

Rudy keeps accidentally throwing Trump in front of the bus.