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[cwolff]

The danger is that if he pushes it too far the regular republicans will revolt. Someone like Candor may be able to live with it so far, but there is a line for the old guard conservatives even if they are happy with the judges and,yes cuts

[Methais]

His base already knows he's lying about Stormy Daniels- they aren't going to let a campaign finance violation get to them. They're not even going to let a little light collusion with Russia get to them.

Even if all of that is true, which I doubt, but even if it were, it's likely more than just Trump's base that wouldn't give a fuck. There are others who would normally be outraged and turn their backs on him or any president over it, and would still probably be outraged anyway, but won't turn on him because they still realize that the alternative is retards who think like you and straponwolff.

[time4fun]

The danger is that if he pushes it too far the regular republicans will revolt. Someone like Candor may be able to live with it so far, but there is a line for the old guard conservatives even if they are happy with the judges and,yes cuts

His approval with Republicans may be softer than it appears. Morning Consult (which leans Republican) came out with a recent battleground states report, and it looks like 37% of Republicans only somewhat approve of Trump.

I don't know that we'll see a revolt. I highly doubt Candor is suddenly going to vote for a Democrat (but who knows?), but the real risk is that 37% of Republicans will just stay home.

[cwolff]

Ya, write-ins and protest votes etc...

In all this mess a young Democrat has an opening to step up and be a real firebrand on the talk show circuit. I'm worried at their complacency. There is all the room in the world right now to make a name and low risk. We need some Avenattis in the Democratic party

[Candor]

His base already knows he's lying about Stormy Daniels- they aren't going to let a campaign finance violation get to them.

For myself, it's not so much the violation but whether Trump has been lying from the beginning about it (which at this point seems rather likely).

[time4fun]

Why this lie over the thousands (literally) of others? I'm asking very sincerely

[Candor]

Why this lie over the thousands (literally) of others? I'm asking very sincerely

I have to first say that I doubt you and I would be in complete agreement as to what Trump has lied about.

But ignoring that...every lie...and I mean every lie...bothers me. But there are two things about this one that make it a bit more troublesome for me:

1. The number of times he has restated it.
2. The fact that Clinton was impeached for lying about a somewhat similar situation (including admittedly via a sworn deposition, but still...)

[time4fun]

I have to first say that I doubt you and I would be in complete agreement as to what Trump has lied about.

But ignoring that...every lie...and I mean every lie...bothers me. But there are two things about this one that make it a bit more troublesome for me:

1. The number of times he has restated it.
2. The fact that Clinton was impeached for lying about a somewhat similar situation (including admittedly via a sworn deposition, but still...)

We do likely disagree on the number yes, but I doubt we disagree that the number is not insignificant.

Having said that: Ironically I'm actually going to defend Trump on this one. I do think it matters that Clinton lied under oath while Trump lies to the American people on camera and Twitter.

But help me understand. He changed his explanation for why he fired the guy overseeing the FBI investigation into him and his campaign at least 3 times in the first few days and has changed it a few times since. So we know he lied about that.

He lied repeatedly about not having tried to fire Mueller- but we know he tried twice.

He also repeatedly lied about whether or not Russia had meddled in our elections- despite having been briefed by the FBI on the possibility, having received an email on behalf of the Russian government saying that Russia was trying to get him elected, having received classified Intelligence briefings as a candidate, and after the US Intelligence community came out and stated that Russia had definitely meddled in the election.

He also lied about his campaign having had zero contact with the Russian government (turns out- there were dozens of contacts) and about not having business deals with them (He was working on getting Trump Tower Moscow during the campaign).

He also lied about Obama's birth certificate- repeatedly, for years. And he has repeatedly told the American people that the DNC and the Democrats were colluding with Russia (despite the fact that Russia hacked the DNC and Clinton and strategically released the emails during the campaign to make her look bad). That's obviously a lie.

I'm not saying these things to be argumentative. I'm genuinely trying to get some insight into the minds of moderate Republicans like yourself. All of those lies involve very serious matters and were repeated over and over again. Why does this one rise above the fray?

Is it that you don't believe he lied about those other things? Or is it feeling a bit fundamentally exasperated and sort of tired of forgiving and forgetting? Or is it something else entirely that my own perspectives and biases are blinding me to?

And thank you in advance for answering such a pointed question.

[cwolff]

From thehill.com. He's playing a dangerous game. trumps asking stormy and avanetti to produce their equivalent of a soiled dress.

The president said the Daniels agreement "was used to stop the false and extortionist accusations made by her about an affair."

Contradicting past claims that he knew nothing about the payment, Trump said such arrangements "are very common among celebrities and people of wealth."

[time4fun]

Yeah he is. That's how terrified he is about the whole Cohen situation. These look like insane risks from the outside, but I'm guessing that the biggest risk is in not doing something at this point.