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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    [FONT="]In terminal medical cases, doctors often deal with patients who move through “stages” that begin with denial. These so-called Kübler-Ross stages can be a long road toward acceptance. A weird form of Kübler-Ross seems to have taken hold of the media. Rather than refusing to accept indicators of impending death, many journalists and analysts seem incapable of accepting signs that the Trump presidency could survive.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]That painful process was more evident Tuesday night when the Washington Post reported that special counsel Robert Mueller told the White House last month that Trump was not considered a “target” but only a “subject” of the investigation. After a year of being assured that “bombshell” developments and “smoking gun” evidence was sealing the criminal case against Trump, the dissonance was too great for many who refuse to accept the obvious meaning of this disclosure.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]The U.S. Attorney’s manual defines a “subject” as a “person whose conduct is within the scope of the grand jury's investigation.” It is a designation that can change but it is also a meaningful description of the current status of an individual. Mueller at this time apparently does not believe Trump meets the definition of a target or a “person as to whom the prosecutor or the grand jury has substantial evidence linking him or her to the commission of a crime and who, in the judgment of the prosecutor, is a putative defendant.” That would have been less notable when Mueller was appointed in 2017 than it is now, after more than a year, dozens of criminal counts, hundreds of thousands of documents, and a bevy of cooperating witnesses.[/FONT][FONT="]That Mueller does not believe there is “substantial evidence linking [Trump] to the commission of a crime” would seem to merit some, albeit grudging, recognition. However, there has been a disturbing lack of objectivity in the coverage of this investigation from the start. Throughout it, some of us have cautioned that the criminal case against Trump was far weaker than media suggested. Fired FBI Director James Comey himself told Congress that Trump was not a target of his investigation. Indeed, Trump was reportedly upset with Comey largely because Comey would not say that publicly.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]When Trump fired Comey, I supported the call for a special counsel, and I still support Mueller in completing his investigation. However, the case of criminal conduct by Trump has not materially improved over the last year. Last October, Mueller brought the first indictments against former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Richard Gates. Notably, none of the indictments were linked to the campaign, let alone Trump. When that obvious point was raised, we were told that it meant nothing and Mueller was likely holding back the really damaging indictments while pressuring Trump aides. Commentators continue to announce “bombshell” disclosures against Trump on a daily basis, with experts alleging clear cases for treason to obstruction to witness tampering and other crimes.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]Then, in November, came the disclosure of plea agreements with former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and former campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos. However, these pleas were for making individual false statements to federal investigators. Neither the charges nor the narratives in the filings tied Trump or his campaign to any criminal act. Later indictments involving lawyer Alex van der Zwaan and internet operator Richard Pinedo involved a false statement and a single count of identity fraud, again unrelated to Trump or his campaign. Nevertheless, commentators insisted Mueller was just laying the groundwork for his major filing.[/FONT]
    [FONT="]In February, Mueller handed down indictments of 13 Russian nationals and three Russian organizations for election-related crimes, from hacking to identity fraud. Not only did these charges not implicate Trump or his campaign, but the filing expressly stated that no one in the Trump campaign knowingly engaged Russians in these efforts. Now, Mueller reportedly has said he does not consider Trump a “target” of the criminal investigation. Looking at each of the prior filings, the disclosure would seem consistent with a lack of compelling evidence of a crime by Trump. Indeed, it would indicate Trump’s status has not changed from when Comey told Congress that Trump was not a target.[/FONT]
    Still, some analysts immediately denied that Mueller’s disclosure was anything but bad news for Trump. On CNN, legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin insisted that “being a ‘subject’ is a very serious thing” and a “very significant designation” because it is clear “the FBI is investigating the president.” Of course, the only lower designation in a criminal investigation would be “witness.” Moreover, it was confirmed last year that Trump was being investigated.

    http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary...riminal-target

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Soooooo....... still no collusion.

    Check.
    Isn’t it ironic...that the person who is complaining about collusion actually colluded with Whirlin to try to take down this forum, and is now back posting on the forum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cwolff View Post
    Its great isnt it? I get a lot from her perspective and don't even have to buy simucoins for it.
    Me too. I get a big Flimbo style wall of text that doesn’t prove collusion happened at all. Nothing happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    So, he doesn’t have anything which is what I thought.

    However, if I were a betting man I still think Putin has dirt on him mainly based on the meek almost master/slave silent/implied approval to all of Putin’s misdeeds.

    In all,if Trump survives all this he’ll see a jump in approval ratings to 60% (seems impossible but I really see this happening; buoyed by a re-energized White populace). I think he will get a 2nd term as long as he stops with this teenage-angst twitter rants and starts putting nominally competent people in cabinet positions. I also strongly believe he’ll do the most damage to US democracy in his 2nd term or the last year of his 1st.
    You're retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Blah, blah, blah
    Twice in two days, PB. It's no wonder that you voted for Trump; you share his complete shamelessness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashliana View Post
    Twice in two days, PB. It's no wonder that you voted for Trump; you share his complete shamelessness.
    You're retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrathbringer View Post
    You're retarded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortybox View Post
    Me too. I get a big Flimbo style wall of text that doesn’t prove collusion happened at all. Nothing happened.
    That's what they said about Watergate too. But, the difference is that we know there was collusion. Its been verified by the trumps. Sure they lied and denied and covered up, but it all came out. Now its a matter of separating the criminal from the non criminal.

    Edit: ya Flimbos cool too. I'm glad to see him back
    Last edited by cwolff; 04-05-2018 at 09:13 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian View Post
    Collusion isn’t a crime though in of itself. I think Mueller’s primary implicit duty as an American is to get some kind of verifiable proof that the President of the United States is a thrall for our arch-nemesis, the Russians. That is/should be the main objective.
    That is something he's looking at. When he's done with the potus part he'll submit his findings to congress

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    Pee tape is real

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