Russia Investigation Heating Up

[cwolff]

I'm sorry- did you have any specific information/evidence that counters literally anything I said?

And no one said the dossier was 100% true- this is a really poor attempt at a straw man argument.

You're a walking set of logical fallacies, and I honestly don't think you're even aware. You've brought a plastic butter knife to every gun fight in this thread- which is amusing but also kind of sad.

You just got back and you're already racking up confirmed kills.

[drauz]

I'm guessing he's never actually read the dossier.

For the benefit of the class, the following dossier claims have been verified already:

1) Russia worked to get Trump elected: Russia DID assist the in getting the Trump campaign elected. This was one of the central premises of the dossier, and it has been confirmed by everyone who isn't Devin Nunes or Donald Trump

2) "The Trump campaign agreed to minimize US opposition to Russia's incursions into Ukraine": This is precisely what they did during the last Republican Convention when they watered down the Ukraine language. (Fun side note- prior to hiring Manafort Trump was very critical of the annexation of Crimea and said we should "Definitely do sanctions". After he hired Manafort, that changed abruptly)

3) "...the TRUMP team had agreed… to raise US/NATO defense commitments in the Baltics and Eastern Europe to deflect attention away from Ukraine, a priority for PUTIN who needed to cauterise the subject": During the campaign Trump routinely criticized NATO, said he was willing to lift Sanctions (which he tried to do immediately when he got into office), and encouraged the end of the EU.

4) Lifting Sanctions- the dossier states that the Trump campaign promised to immediately lift sanctions if Trump were elected. That's exactly what they tried to do. THAT'S why Congress passed the Russian sanctions bill, by the way. They were notified that the Trump administration was ordering the State Department to start figuring out the justification to lifting sanctions in return for literally nothing from Russia.

5) "...[the] leading Russian diplomat, Mikhail KULAGIN, had been withdrawn from Washington at short notice because Moscow feared his heavy involvement in the US presidential election operation… would be exposed in the media there" : This was confirmed by McClatchy and BBC.

6) Carter Page meeting with Rosneft: The dossier claims Carter Page met with Rosneft and was offered a sale of a significant portion of the company. Page's own Congressional testimony confirmed these things.

7) Putin/WikiLeaks: The dossier claimed that Putin was using WikiLeaks to disseminate the DNC hacked emails. This turned out to be true.


That's just what we know from public information.

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous. If you're making that argument, all it says about you is that 1) You have no idea what it says, 2) You aren't particularly well-read on the subject of the Russia investigation, and 3) You're recycling right-wing talking points without fact checking

Where have they been verified?

[Parkbandit]

I'm sorry- did you have any specific information/evidence that counters literally anything I said?

And no one said the dossier was 100% true- this is a really poor attempt at a straw man argument.

You're a walking set of logical fallacies, and I honestly don't think you're even aware. You've brought a plastic butter knife to every gun fight in this thread- which is amusing but also kind of sad.

Wait.. you talk about self awareness... but didn't you JUST type this out?

So, at this point, arguing that the Steele Dossier is completely made up is 100% ridiculous.

Was that your really poor attempt at a strawman argument or do you somehow get a free pass at making those because you are just an idiot?

[time4fun]

1) US Intelligence Agencies- including testimony under oath.

2) The Ukraine language change was instigated by JD Gordon/Trump Campaign. You should know this by now.

3) Trump repeatedly attacked NATO during his campaign and even early into his administration, and he made several remarks backing Brexit/the undoing of the EU

4) It's well-established at this point that the Trump administration tried to secretly lift Russian sanctions as soon as he got into office. He also heavily criticized the Russian sanctions bill passed by Congress last year.

5) As stated previously, this was verified by both McClatchy and BBC

6) Carter Page's Congressional testimony- and the way it verified this (and other) claims in the dossier is also widely reported on.

7) And, of course, it's well established that wikileaks disseminated the hacked DNC emails, and that Gucifer 2.0- the person who was providing the emails to WikiLeaks- was a Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU.

Honestly, if you have been following the news you should already know all of these things.

[Parkbandit]

Oh how little you know. Go on though, it's fun watching my stalker flail about madly while foaming at the mouth in angst.

Dude. You seriously have some major delusions of grandeur, don't you?

You have absolutely NOTHING to be stalked or obsessed over.

You work at Goodwill.

You sponge off "friends".

You spend all day and night in a room.

Literally, you would be the last person on these message boards anyone would stalk or obsess over.

[drauz]

1) US Intelligence Agencies- including testimony under oath.

2) The Ukraine language change was instigated by JD Gordon/Trump Campaign. You should know this by now.

3) Trump repeatedly attacked NATO during his campaign and even early into his administration, and he made several remarks backing Brexit/the undoing of the EU

4) It's well-established at this point that the Trump administration tried to secretly lift Russian sanctions as soon as he got into office. He also heavily criticized the Russian sanctions bill passed by Congress last year.

5) As stated previously, this was verified by both McClatchy and BBC

6) Carter Page's Congressional testimony- and the way it verified this (and other) claims in the dossier is also widely reported on.

7) And, of course, it's well established that wikileaks disseminated the hacked DNC emails, and that Gucifer 2.0- the person who was providing the emails to WikiLeaks- was a Russian Intelligence Officer with the GRU.

Honestly, if you have been following the news you should already know all of these things.

I stopped following this Russian stuff a while ago, I've been sticking to waiting to see what Mueller uncovers.

A couple of those seem like connecting dots that shouldn't be connected with the facts presented.

No, need to present more I'm still just waiting to see what Mueller finds out.

[Neveragain]

Yeah... You're racist gutter trash. What you care about doesn't reflect what normal people care about.

[time4fun]

I stopped following this Russian stuff a while ago, I've been sticking to waiting to see what Mueller uncovers.

A couple of those seem like connecting dots that shouldn't be connected with the facts presented.

No, need to present more I'm still just waiting to see what Mueller finds out.

I think the real issue here is that the fact that the Dossier seemed to predict some of the oddest stances Trump took as a candidate (lifting Russian sanctions?!? Criticizing NATO- particularly Article 5? These are both bizarre and dangerous stances for the US and its allies), uncovered the massive campaign by the Russians to put him into office, knew Russia had hacked the DNC and would use WikiLeaks to disseminate the results, knew about Page's meeting with Rosneft, etc. tells you that this is a document that needs to be taken seriously.

On top of it- Steele has an impeccable reputation among the Intelligence communities in the US and UK.

There's a reason why the right is attacking this dossier with everything they have, and why they keep lying about its veracity. There's enough public information at this point to verify several of the most important claims in it, and that alone tells us that it's very likely that the Trump campaign did, in fact, make a deal with Russia.

[Androidpk]

Dude. You seriously have some major delusions of grandeur, don't you?

You have absolutely NOTHING to be stalked or obsessed over.

You work at Goodwill.

You sponge off "friends".

You spend all day and night in a room.

Literally, you would be the last person on these message boards anyone would stalk or obsess over.

I haven't worked at Goodwill since 2013. I don't sponge off any friends. I certainly don't spend all day and night in a room. Stop obsessing over and get a life. Stop acting like a creepy old man.

[cwolff]

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On top of it- Steele has an impeccable reputation among the Intelligence communities in the US and UK.
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This. Steele is a damn hero. He's a patriot and an ally who's worked his adult life defending the UK and aiding U.S. intelligence too. The right attacking him the way they have is shameful.