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In a court filing Tuesday night special counsel Robert Mueller alleges Rick Gates, a close associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, knew the two were working with a former Russian intelligence officer during the 2016 election.
http://www.newsweek.com/mueller-tell...ling-ex-862897
The headline downplays it a bit. Gates knew the Russian associate, Kilimnik, was at least a former spy for the GRU. However, FBI assesses that Kilimnik has ongoing ties to Russian intelligence - he is not a former GRU spy, he is a current GRU spy.
Also worth noting that Gates and Kilimnik were in touch in September and October 2016.
What we know to date about Kilimnik, courtesy of a Politico story from August 2016:
Kilimnik did not hide his military past from his new employer. In fact, when he was asked how he learned to speak such fluent English, he responded “Russian military intelligence,”
"It was like ‘Kostya, the guy from the GRU’ — that’s how we talked about him,” said a political operative who worked in Moscow at the time. “The institute was informed that he was GRU, but it didn’t matter at the time because they weren’t doing anything sensitive.”
"There was no secret that [Kilimnik] had been in the intelligence services back in the Soviet Union. He would talk about it. Others on the campaign — Paul, Phil Griffin, Rick Gates — they were pretty open about his background.”
In summary -
The DNC hack in March 2016 was by the GRU.
In June 2016, posing as "Guccifer 2.0", a GRU officer distributed the hacked material.
"Guccifer", ie the GRU, was also Wikileaks' source, or at least one of them.
In September and October 2016, Rick Gates, who knew Kilimnik was GRU because Kilimnik fucking well said so, was in communication with this GRU operative.
Also in September and October 2016, "Guccifer", who had not publicly leaked documents since the big DNC drop in July and the public backlash to it, dropped further documents via Wikileaks, starting on September 12.
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Yup. At least 4 separate avenues of verified collusion now:Originally Posted by Androidpk
1) Manafort and Gates dealing with "ex" (nope) GRU officer Kilimnik.
2) Roger Stone dealing with Guccifer 2.0, exposed now as a GRU officer, or group of officers impersonating a single person, and Wikileaks, through which Guccifer released the hacked information Stone was hacking about.
3) Trump Jr. and Kushner knowingly dealing with agents of the Russian government, and who had information that "[was] obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."
4) Sessions meeting in secret with Amb. Kislyak, lying about said meetings under oath, and the IC intercepting the details of that meeting through surveillance on Kislyak.
Trump's cronies are going to federal prison, and Trump's probably going to be forced out after you lose bigtime in November. Sorry, Tardbringer, PB, Methais. No amount of your teeth-gnashing impotent rage is going to change that.
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There is also the meeting on the Seychelles with Erik Prince and others as well as the meetings in Greece with Papadopoulos and the Russians.
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Also Bannon/Mercers working with a Russian professor receiving Russian government grants to build the Trump campaign's data operation.
And, of course, Trump and his lawyer working with Russian banks and the Russian government to get a Trump Tower in Moscow DURING the election. The same Trump Tower that was originally halted due to US sanctions on Russia.
So many coincidences.
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I don't think I've read about the Russian professor but I do recall something along the lines of the data mined by Cambridge Analytics being sold/given to a Russian gas company.
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Quoted for when trump is still in office 6 years from now.Yup. At least 4 separate avenues of verified collusion now:
1) Manafort and Gates dealing with "ex" (nope) GRU officer Kilimnik.
2) Roger Stone dealing with Guccifer 2.0, exposed now as a GRU officer, or group of officers impersonating a single person, and Wikileaks, through which Guccifer released the hacked information Stone was hacking about.
3) Trump Jr. and Kushner knowingly dealing with agents of the Russian government, and who had information that "[was] obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."
4) Sessions meeting in secret with Amb. Kislyak, lying about said meetings under oath, and the IC intercepting the details of that meeting through surveillance on Kislyak.
Trump's cronies are going to federal prison, and Trump's probably going to be forced out after you lose bigtime in November. Sorry, Tardbringer, PB, Methais. No amount of your teeth-gnashing impotent rage is going to change that.
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I'll do a citation later when I'm out of meetings.
But I do believe that puts us at 8 known connections between members of the Trump campaign and Russia.
Oh wait- 9. Carter Page- already suspected of being a Russian asset- making numerous trips to Moscow and meeting with members of the Russian government.
But remember- there was NO contact with Russia. Trump assured us of that.
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