Russia Investigation Heating Up

[ClydeR]

Intent only matters when a criminal action has occurred.

An "endeavor" to obstruct justice is what makes it a crime, even if there is no actual obstruction.

[Gelston]

An "endeavor" to obstruct justice is what makes it a crime, even if there is no actual obstruction.

No endeavor was made, he was wanting to fire Mueller because of perceived conflict of interest, which was conflict about a golf club membership. The "endeavor" (that never occurred) was about that. Not obstructing the investigation. Mueller would have been replaced.

Having read section 1503 on "endeavoring to obstruct justice" it still requires an action. No action left that office. It is more on attempting to destroy evidence, but failing to, or trying to coerce someone into lying under Oath, but they still tell the truth. It is broad, but it still requires action.

[Androidpk]

No endeavor was made

He told McGahn to fire Mueller.

[Methais]

Intent only matters when a criminal action has occurred unless you're Hillary Clinton in 2016.

Fixed.

[Methais]

He told McGahn to fire Mueller.

And they were like "That's a bad idea because reasons. It's such a bad idea that I'd quit my job first." and he was like "Ok nevermind."

Stop being so desperate. Nothing is going to come out of this. All this false hope is going to make you roll up a monk.

[Androidpk]

Stop being so desperate. Nothing is going to come out of this.

And you're basing this assumption off what? In an alternate reality where Trump is a Democrat you'd be all over this like Wrathbringer on a piece of shit.

All this false hope is going to make you roll up a monk.

I've had a monk ever since they first allowed conversions.

[Latrinsorm]

I imagine if Trump ordered Mueller to be fired, he'd be fired.

Except that nothing that Trump did involving this supposed order had any effect on Mueller or the investigation in anyway.

Under United States law an investigation doesn't even have to be taking place for prosecutable obstruction to occur. This necessarily means that affecting an investigation is irrelevant.

No endeavor was made, he was wanting to fire Mueller because of perceived conflict of interest, which was conflict about a golf club membership.

What's more plausible for a June attempt to fire Mueller, a golf club membership that he knew about since the inception of the investigation in May, or the reports in June that Mueller was specifically investigating the President?

The "endeavor" (that never occurred) was about that. Not obstructing the investigation. Mueller would have been replaced.

Mueller's replaceability is irrelevant, just as Cox's was in 1973.

[Neveragain]

He has.

Twice.

Trump might be able to survive the inevitable obstruction report in a non-election year, but it's going to come out right around the primaries. That's bad news. The GOP will turn on him the second he becomes an even more serious political liability than he is now.

Or, this will result in the craziest candidates winning the GOP nomination for their races- which just makes it even more likely the Dems take the house. And that's going to guarantee impeachment.

[Wrathbringer]

Under United States law an investigation doesn't even have to be taking place for prosecutable obstruction to occur. This necessarily means that affecting an investigation is irrelevant.What's more plausible for a June attempt to fire Mueller, a golf club membership that he knew about since the inception of the investigation in May, or the reports in June that Mueller was specifically investigating the President?Mueller's replaceability is irrelevant, just as Cox's was in 1973.

Cut a fart.

[Wrathbringer]

And you're basing this assumption off what? In an alternate reality where Trump is a Democrat you'd be all over this like Wrathbringer on a piece of shit.

I've never been on you so not sure what you meant by that.