Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[tyrant-201]

If you're gonna count people voting against slavery as them NOT being against slavery, I'm not surprised you're convinced the North wasn't against slavery.I was talking about the states admitted to the Union in the period leading up to the Civil War, and my point was that that they were all free states, thus the North was against slavery.
You pointed out that under the Northwest Ordinance those states didn't have a choice.
I pointed out that the states we were talking about weren't subject to the Northwest Ordinance.

California came in as a free state because Californians didn't want slavery in California.
Oregon came in as a free state because Oregonians didn't want slavery in Oregon.
Minnesota came in as a free state because Minnesotans didn't want slavery in Minnesota.
Kansas didn't come in at all because Kansasers were busy murdering each other over whether slavery would be in Kansas.

These are facts.

The average Northerner cared about (and opposed) slavery. That doesn't mean every Northerner opposed slavery, or every Northerner was a saint, or no Northerner had slaves, or that it was the only thing they cared about, or the only reason they'd go to war, or any other tangent you want to go on.

The average northerner wanted to abolish with slavery, that's why a moderate like Lincoln was elected and not Seward or Chase? I think the average northerner just wanted to get along, didn't necessarily want it in their territory, but didn't want to start a war over it.

[Latrinsorm]

The average northerner wanted to abolish with slavery, that's why a moderate like Lincoln was elected and not Seward or Chase? I think the average northerner just wanted to get along, didn't necessarily want it in their territory, but didn't want to start a war over it.

Again, they didn't want to start over a war over it because they didn't need to. Slavery was finished one way or the other. Option A: there would be a war that the North was sure they would win and end slavery. Option B: there wouldn't be a war, and the growing abolitionist majority would end slavery. You'd have to be a psychopath to go with the war option. So the North in the 1860 election gave control of both houses to the anti-slavery party (because they were anti-slavery) but elected a President they hoped wouldn't provoke secession and thus war.

[tyrant-201]

Again, they didn't want to start over a war over it because they didn't need to. Slavery was finished one way or the other. Option A: there would be a war that the North was sure they would win and end slavery. Option B: there wouldn't be a war, and the growing abolitionist majority would end slavery. You'd have to be a psychopath to go with the war option. So the North in the 1860 election gave control of both houses to the anti-slavery party (because they were anti-slavery) but elected a President they hoped wouldn't provoke secession and thus war.

Yes, because like in your estimation, everything works out according to plan. Particularly with large and diverse demographics.

[Latrinsorm]

Yes, because like in your estimation, everything works out according to plan. Particularly with large and diverse demographics.

It manifestly didn't work out according to plan, because the South seceded even after the compromise candidate was elected.

[drauz]

If you're gonna count people voting against slavery as them NOT being against slavery, I'm not surprised you're convinced the North wasn't against slavery.

I'm just going to stop responding to you, its not worth it to try to untwist what you say with every comment.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm just going to stop responding to you, its not worth it to try to untwist what you say with every comment.

+2 internetz to you

[Neveragain]

Which documented fact are you talking about?



Yes.

Excellent, we both agree that slavery was an evil tool of convenience and abolishing slavery was a good thing.

Now that we have agreed on this I will show you exactly how and why the average person/northerner didn't care.

Obviously knowing that slavery was an evil tool of convenience...how could you possibly not want to abolish abortion or are you still convinced it's not a human being?

[tyrant-201]

Excellent, we both agree that slavery was an evil tool of convenience and abolishing slavery was a good thing.

Now that we have agreed on this I will show you exactly how and why the average person/northerner didn't care.

Obviously knowing that slavery was an evil tool of convenience...how could you possibly not want to abolish abortion or are you still convinced it's not a human being?

It's a parasite until it's born.

[Neveragain]

It's a parasite until it's born.

Sorry, Back already negated that argument when we agreed that a newborn would perish without a "host".

[SHAFT]

Tgo, I'll just leave this here:

http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...to-lift-russia

Between this and the supposed release of the properties obama seized from Russia...