There hasn't been a single solitary individual here that ever said the Civil War was not about slavery.Originally Posted by Back
There hasn't been a single solitary individual here that ever said the Civil War was not about slavery.
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It wasn't, however, about trying to end slavery. Infact, Maryland and a few other Northern states had slavery after the war was over. Lincoln even said if he could prevent the war and keep slavery, he would.There hasn't been a single solitary individual here that ever said the Civil War was not about slavery.
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Maryland ended slavery in 1864. Missouri in January 1865, West Virginia in February. Delaware and Kentucky were the only holdouts, and that lasted all of seven months.
It's a joke to say that the Civil War wasn't just as much about abolitionism as it was about slavery.
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Take a few history courses on it. The contemporaries of the time didn't consider the war to be about slavery, outside of abolitionists. The premise was more based on whether a state has the right to secede. If you believe most northerners gave two shits about slavery at the time you're mistaken
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It's kind of funny how people nowadays viewed the North as "the good guys" that wanted to "end slavery."
Shit, even after the civil war "free blacks" in the north were still subjected to racism, hiring discrimination, education discrimination, voter discrimination, violence, and all of the other wonderful things people attribute to the south. The idea that the north were some sort of advanced people hundreds of years ahead of the south is the stuff modern people made up to feel good about the history of our country.
Well, Maryland was after the Emancipation Proclamation anyways. But yeah, those other "hold outs" were sure fighting against slavery huh? It wasn't about ending slavery, it was about preserving the Union from the northern perspective. The Emancipation Proclamation was passed to try and keep other nations out of the war.
Last edited by Gelston; 05-31-2017 at 09:51 PM.
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A party founded on "free labor, free land, free men" won the Presidency and controlled both houses in the 1860 elections before retaining that control in both war elections. For people that didn't care about slavery, the North voted against it pretty resoundingly. But I'm open to dissenting evidence, should be pretty easy for you to scare up some anti-secessionist literature. I'll even go first: John Brown was first and foremost anti-slavery. Okay, your turn.You've set up quite a few straw men in your day, but this has to take the cake.If you want to take two states out of twenty three as evidence of the whole, that's your prerogative. I'm gonna stick with thinking that when over 90% of a polity has banned slavery, that polity is probably against slavery.
Last edited by Latrinsorm; 05-31-2017 at 10:38 PM.
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I didn't attribute this to you or anyone in particular, it was just an observation I've noticed about people in general.
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The Declaration of Independence declared all men equal. We know what Jefferson meant was all white land-owning men were created equal. Politicians and parties say a lot of shit they don't particularly mean.
It took 3 ballots at the Republican convention to elect Lincoln. Lincoln wasn't even the front-runner. Lincoln was selected because he was seen as most moderate on the divisive issue of slavery - he stated he would allow slavery to continue to exist, but not extend into new territories. The South didn't find this acceptable, or believe that Lincoln had no interest in abolishing slavery.
Abolition came about as a tool of war.
John Brown wasn't a politician, and was considered a radical/terrorist by many people in his day.
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When talking about the Civil War an honest historian has to look at slavery through the lens of the era and not through todays magnifying glass. One can still find recorded voice interviews of soldiers that served during the Civil War, I'll post one in this response of a Confederate General. As you said, outside of the Abolitionists, to the common joe and jane it had always been a part of every day life through human history. Going by what some of what this General says it was more common that slaves were treated as more of the family unit...sort of...and more uncommon to treat them poorly.
Either way this is very interesting to listen to if one is into the history thing.
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