Muslim kid tries to blow up school, Obama invites him to White House

[drauz]

We need to get this kid a grant with unlimited funding if he can invent a device that allows me to slap people through the internet.

Yes, if he didn't intend to show anyone the clock and he didn't intend for the clock to go off in the middle of class then I absolutely agree he didn't intend to cause panic.

However, and this part is important so I'm going to scream it to make sure you read/hear it, THAT'S WHAT THE KID CLAIMED HAPPENED.

Here's a shocker for everyone (and no not the 3 fingered kind), people sometimes lie in order to not get in trouble.

I know. It's amazing. I was shocked the first time I learned about this a couple of months ago. I had lived my entire life up until that point assuming people always told the truth when they were facing disciplinary action.

Let me scream so maybe you will get the point as well. DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK HE'S LYING? Anything at all?

In hindsight, both he and his shop teacher could have handled this better.

Think of all the dumb shit you did as a kid, not illegal just dumb, without thinking it all the way thru.

[Tgo01]

This is funny coming from you. Let me scream so maybe you will get the point as well. DO YOU HAVE ANY REASON TO THINK HE'S LYING? Anything at all?

In light of possibly being charged with a crime and being expelled from school do you have any reason to believe he's telling the truth? Anything at all?

In hindsight, both he and his shop teacher could have handled this better.

Yup. He could have said "Sorry I'm a dipshit and should have left this in my locker and taken the batteries out to ensure it wouldn't be a distraction during class. I'm sorry. I just made a clock to show my other teacher and wasn't thinking."

BAM! Controversy over. He even admitted that the only explanation he gave to police and school officials was to keep saying "It's a clock" over and over again during questioning. Maybe he could have just said "I forgot the alarm clock I ripped off...I mean the clock I built! Had an alarm on it and I forgot to turn it off. I didn't mean any harm."

But he admitted to being an uncooperative little shit. And why not? Look at well it turned out for him.

Think of all the dumb shit you did as a kid, not illegal just dumb, without thinking it all the way thru.

You're right. Which is why I said way back in my first post in this thread that I don't necessarily think the kid meant to cause any panic but at the same time I think he was being a smart ass and thought it would be "cool" or "cleaver" to make it look like a brief case bomb.

Maybe if after being asked "Why did the alarm go off during class" the kid could have said "I honestly forgot to turn the alarm off and remove the batteries. It was an honest mistake" instead of just repeating "It's a clock!", "It doesn't look like a bomb to me!"

[drauz]

In light of possibly being charged with a crime and being expelled from school do you have any reason to believe he's telling the truth? Anything at all?

Yes, his shop teacher said that he had shown it to him and was excited about it. This is the start of his story and is innocent enough. Anything that happens after this basically comes down to if you believe him or not. I choose to believe him since nothing he has said has been contradicted. If that changes so will my opinion.

I'm not positive it was about race, just maybe an overzealous school system that didn't want to take any chances. Enough though they didn't treat it like it was a bomb at any point.

[Tgo01]

Yes, his shop teacher said that he had shown it to him and was excited about it.

All this proves is he showed it to his shop teacher.

This is the start of his story and is innocent enough.

Yes. The not so innocent part is him choosing to keep it by his side apparently all day and allowing it to go off during class. Is Texas so poor that their high school students don't have lockers?

Anything that happens after this basically comes down to if you believe him or not. I choose to believe him since nothing he has said has been contradicted. If that changes so will my opinion.

This is stupid. I'm sorry but I don't know how to sugar coat this. This is absolutely stupid. What sort of proof are you looking for that all of his actions were just a misunderstanding as opposed to him doing all of it on purpose? A confession? A blog post from him stating he was going to do this on purpose?

You and Kembal should start a law office. I can see the commercials now: "Pay us lots of money to represent you in court! We guarantee you are going to win! Our secret weapon? We just have you tell the truth!"

though they didn't treat it like it was a bomb at any point.

What does this prove?

[drauz]

This is stupid. I'm sorry but I don't know how to sugar coat this. This is absolutely stupid. What sort of proof are you looking for that all of his actions were just a misunderstanding as opposed to him doing all of it on purpose? A confession? A blog post from him stating he was going to do this on purpose?

You and Kembal should start a law office. I can see the commercials now: "Pay us lots of money to represent you in court! We guarantee you are going to win! Our secret weapon? We just have you tell the truth!"

And here it comes, "you don't agree with me so you must be stupid". All I said was that I believe him because nothing has come out to contradict his series of events. If you know something I don't then please enlighten me.

What you are suggesting is guilty until proven innocent.

Again I will say that he could have made better decisions, but again I am willing to chalk this up to a mistake by a youth.

“The follow-up investigation revealed the device apparently was a homemade experiment, and there’s no evidence to support the perception he intended to create alarm,” Boyd said, describing the incident as a “naive accident.”

[Tgo01]

And here it comes, "you don't agree with me so you must be stupid".

Not at all. It's stupid because it's stupid, not because you disagree with me. If I were calling you stupid for disagreeing with me then I would have called you stupid back in my first response towards you.

All I said was that I believe him because nothing has come out to contradict his series of events.

I know what you said and it's stupid. It's one thing to say you have looked at all of the facts of the case (which we both know you haven't) and given the facts we do know you choose to believe it was an innocent misunderstanding. But you're not saying that. You're saying you choose to believe him because basically he hasn't come out and said he did it on purpose. I mean how else are we going to "contradict" him saying it wasn't on purpose?

What you are suggesting is guilty until proven innocent.

No. What I'm suggesting is to educate yourself on the subject matter, view all of the facts of the case, and arrive on your own conclusion. What you are doing is getting a few blurbs from your favorite left wing news site and saying "Yeah, that's fucked up!"

[Silvean]

TG0: I'm having a lot of sex with your mom. I'm not saying that makes me your dad or anything but you do need to mow the grass before I get home tomorrow.

[drauz]

I know what you said and it's stupid. It's one thing to say you have looked at all of the facts of the case (which we both know you haven't) and given the facts we do know you choose to believe it was an innocent misunderstanding. But you're not saying that. You're saying you choose to believe him because basically he hasn't come out and said he did it on purpose. I mean how else are we going to "contradict" him saying it wasn't on purpose?

So anything that ever comes down to someones word can't be checked out now? It's called a police investigation. Even the police dept called it a "naive mistake". Since you are so educated on this week old subject, please tell me how you know more than the police dept directly involved in the incident.

So maybe you should educate yourself on the subject matter.

No. What I'm suggesting is to educate yourself on the subject matter, view all of the facts of the case, and arrive on your own conclusion. What you are doing is getting a few blurbs from your favorite left wing news site and saying "Yeah, that's fucked up!"

Did I once even say anything close to this? No. I said he made a error in judgement. I can understand how a English teacher could mistake it for a bomb and I am happy it was reported.

[Androidpk]

What does this prove?

It proves you get upset over the dumbest shit.

[Tgo01]

So anything that ever comes down to someones word can't be checked out now?

Not what I said. Please cease and desist with your strawman bullshit tactics. Thanks.

It's called a police investigation. Even the police dept called it a "naive mistake".

Well golly. Why did they have that thar fangled...poe...lease...investigation in the first place? They should have just taken the kid's word for it and left it at that.

Did we forget what this controversy was even about? Hint: It's not that the boy brought a mock bomb/clock to school, it's whether or not he should have been suspended and arrested.

Since you are so educated on this week old subject, please tell me how you know more than the police dept directly involved in the incident.

I didn't say I knew more than the police department who responded to this matter.

This is your last warning to stop any and all strawman arguments. Another slip like that and I'll be forced to use drastic measures to get you to comply.

I can understand how a English teacher could mistake it for a bomb and I am happy it was reported.

Good. What are you even arguing about then?

It proves you get upset over the dumbest shit.

When I want an opinion from the resident druggie I'll ask for it. Thanks.