More Obamacare fuckups

[Tgo01]

You both A. Want Bernie Sanders level socialism while whining about anything that helps anyone

See this is your problem. You seem to think that just because you think Obamacare is the greatest thing since sliced bread then obviously I must think that too. Well stop that. Stop thinking you think for me. I think Obamacare is utter shit.

Glad we have that misunderstanding out of the way now.

and B. Buy into the childish conceit that Obama raised rates rather than insurance companies. It is the idiotic equivalant of people who declare that Obama is responsible for high ammo prices and not firearms manufacturers.

So Obamacare has nothing to do with insurance rates? You on drugs, dude.

[Warriorbird]

See this is your problem. You seem to think that just because you think Obamacare is the greatest thing since sliced bread then obviously I must think that too. Well stop that. Stop thinking you think for me. I think Obamacare is utter shit.

Glad we have that misunderstanding out of the way now.



So Obamacare has nothing to do with insurance rates? You on drugs, dude.

I think Obamacare is lackluster because Obama kept trying to "be friends" and Congress sucks. It's done some things your party would have never done though... like anything for anybody who's not a corporation or eager to dodge taxes.

You seem to think Obama demanded companies increase rates. It's like companies don't even control their own prices! Yeah... You really convinced me there.

[Tgo01]

I think Obamacare is lackluster

So Obamacare does suck? Another thing we agree on.

[Candor]

So Obamacare does suck?

Yes.

[Kembal]

See this is your problem. You seem to think that just because you think Obamacare is the greatest thing since sliced bread then obviously I must think that too. Well stop that. Stop thinking you think for me. I think Obamacare is utter shit.

Glad we have that misunderstanding out of the way now.

Again, you want single-payer. I never pegged you for a socialist, but you pretty much are one based on your argument. And yet, you refuse to say whether you will vote for the one candidate who would push for it. So, as usual, you whine and complain, but you don't take action in accordance with your beliefs. No surprise.

So Obamacare has nothing to do with insurance rates? You on drugs, dude.

You say Obamacare is worse than nothing. Define nothing. No insurance at all? Or the system prior to ACA?

[Tgo01]

Again, you want single-payer.

I want to see actual healthcare costs go down, the only feasible way I see that happening is if the government go involved directly with healthcare or started enacting legislation to force hospitals and insurance companies to find ways to reduce costs. As it is now it's just one huge cluster fuck with no one caring because hell, they aren't the ones ultimately footing the bill.

And yet, you refuse to say whether you will vote for the one candidate who would push for it. So, as usual, you whine and complain, but you don't take action in accordance with your beliefs. No surprise.

Yes, it's my God given right as an American to whine and complain.

You say Obamacare is worse than nothing. Define nothing. No insurance at all? Or the system prior to ACA?

The latter.

[Silvean]

Healthcare reform did two things for me.

1. My wife has a pre-existing condition and we paid $1500 per month for insurance at one point before reform. The changes forced student health insurance to cover prescription medication in a real way and allowed her to finish her doctorate. It's also nice to know that some kind of professional catastrophe wouldn't risk our access to affordable (i.e., <$1500 per month) insurance.

2. Several of my close friends didn't have health insurance prior to ACA. This was dangerous. They've been forced into getting insurance with subsidies and they actually go to the doctor when something is wrong now.

[Candor]

Several of my close friends didn't have health insurance prior to ACA. This was dangerous. They've been forced into getting insurance with subsidies and they actually go to the doctor when something is wrong now.

This is why, despite my issues with Obamacare, I would not undo it. It certainly needs changes (and I do not claim to have all the answers), but undoing it is the wrong choice. The thought of people not going to a doctor when they clearly need to is chilling.

[Kembal]

I want to see actual healthcare costs go down, the only feasible way I see that happening is if the government go involved directly with healthcare or started enacting legislation to force hospitals and insurance companies to find ways to reduce costs. As it is now it's just one huge cluster fuck with no one caring because hell, they aren't the ones ultimately footing the bill.

What's your view of the IPAB provision of the ACA then (assuming Republicans ever let it go into effect)? It's supposed to do exactly that: force hospitals and other medical providers to find ways to reduce costs.

The latter.

I assume you say this because you believe the previous state would induce the country to go for single-payer?

[Tgo01]

What's your view of the IPAB provision of the ACA then (assuming Republicans ever let it go into effect)? It's supposed to do exactly that: force hospitals and other medical providers to find ways to reduce costs.

As far as I can tell the IPAB is tasked with finding ways to cut Medicare spending.

I assume you say this because you believe the previous state would induce the country to go for single-payer?

I just think Obamacare is that fucking useless.

It doesn't do shit in regards to the supposed goal it set out to do, which was to bring healthcare costs down. It just spreads healthcare costs to everyone so healthcare costs are artificially lower for some people, stays the same for some, and in fact goes up for others.