More Obamacare fuckups

[Kembal]

Or just not paying it.

Apparently you don't know what the garnishment of wages means.

I actually had a rebuttal against all of your comments all typed out but then I was like "Eh...I don't want to own him _too_ hard..."

Oh, go for it. Remember, your question was "How has healthcare gotten affordable?" You have to argue that all 6 of those things haven't made healthcare more affordable in some way, shape, or form. Good luck.

[Tgo01]

Apparently you don't know what the garnishment of wages means.

Oh please. Do you know how long it takes to reach that stage?

Oh, go for it. Remember, your question was "How has healthcare gotten affordable?" You have to argue that all 6 of those things haven't made healthcare more affordable in some way, shape, or form. Good luck.

Fine. You caught me in a good mood.

1. Premium increases are less than before.

Which has nothing to do with making healthcare "affordable."

2. Subsidies

Not everyone is entitled to subsidies. Some people receiving pitiful amount in subsidies. And even WITH subsidies that is no guarantee that it is "affordable" to someone.

3. Competition in markets by new insurers entering into the market

HAHA!

4. No pre-existing coverage exclusion

Which again has nothing to do with making healthcare "affordable."

5. Less uninsured people going to ER who are unable to pay the bills later, which has lowered the increase in health care costs for everyone, since hospitals have to recover those unpaid costs by charging higher prices to those who are insured.

HAHA.

This sentence doesn't even make sense.

6. And finally, the kicker: when you have health insurance, your health care bills are a lot less than when you don't have insurance. i.e. healthcare has gotten more affordable for you.

Did you even read this sentence before you typed it out? What about the person who already had healthcare coverage? Does this lower the cost for him?

Seriously, I'm trying desperately to see what you're trying to say. So just the act of having health insurance = healthcare is more affordable? Well shit, why didn't everyone have health insurance before then if it's such a simple concept? You are literally saying the government knows what's best for each and every 300+ million people living in the US and they were just too stupid before to realize that being forced to buy healthcare insurance = more affordable healthcare.

I can't help but notice you didn't list one thing that actually results in lower healthcare costs...I mean like...lowers how much money we as a nation spend on healthcare. Wasn't it always Obama's and other Democrats' big thing to say "We pay the most for healthcare and get the least out of it!"

Well, great! So that means Obamacare has lowered how much we as a nation spend on healthcare, right? That was the goal, right? Right?

[Wrathbringer]

Well, until you aren't extended any credit at all. Then i guess you can go live on the street and bum change.

Only people who enjoy enslavement to debt think they need credit. Credit merely ensures your continued production of tax revenue and complicity in all the atrocities committed by the collectors of said tax dollars. You've been deceived and you thank them for it. The only people living on the street for bum change will be those holding worthless paper when the currency hyper inflates. The ever increasing minimum wage is doubling in our country now. The average lifespan of fiat currency is 30 years. We're well beyond that. Only quantitative easing and the lowering of interest rates has kept the world's reserve currency on life support, but rates can't go any lower and printing $ is the cause of the problem. It's a sugar rush, and it will crash worse each time. If you weren't so distracted by violent video games, sports and tv/movies, you might have noticed. We've been brainwashed. Time to wake up. Our survival depends upon it.

[Archigeek]

Pre-existing conditions.

I can switch, but it will cost me even more money.

They can't charge you more because of a pre-existing condition, anymore than they can deny you coverage. At least not the specific you. They can and will charge the general populace more. If they could taylor plans to the individual we'd be right back to square one. I have heard that health care provider liability insurance is bonkers in Florida, maybe that's part of the problem.

I sympathise with the difficulties of pre-existing conditions, and the fear of not having something covered if you change plans. Particularly some drugs, of which there are few options, and the insurance companies work out huge contracts with whichever drug provider they can get the best deal on, and then it's difficult to get one of the other ones. That would all be fine if they were equal, but they're not, they're only similar.

[Wrathbringer]

Apparently you don't know what the garnishment of wages means.



Oh, go for it. Remember, your question was "How has healthcare gotten affordable?" You have to argue that all 6 of those things haven't made healthcare more affordable in some way, shape, or form. Good luck.

Garnishment? Wages? LOL. No w-2, no garnishment. Then they will garnish your tax return, which is LOL because again, no w-2, no input of taxes to garnish. At that point, you just get less free money from the government at tax time.

[Methais]

Garnishment? Wages? LOL. No w-2, no garnishment. Then they will garnish your tax return, which is LOL because again, no w-2, no input of taxes to garnish. At that point, you just get less free money from the government at tax time.

They'll just garnish silvers out of your GS bank account then.

[Parkbandit]

They can't charge you more because of a pre-existing condition, anymore than they can deny you coverage. At least not the specific you. They can and will charge the general populace more. If they could taylor plans to the individual we'd be right back to square one. I have heard that health care provider liability insurance is bonkers in Florida, maybe that's part of the problem.

I sympathise with the difficulties of pre-existing conditions, and the fear of not having something covered if you change plans. Particularly some drugs, of which there are few options, and the insurance companies work out huge contracts with whichever drug provider they can get the best deal on, and then it's difficult to get one of the other ones. That would all be fine if they were equal, but they're not, they're only similar.

This isn't what I was told. I had 2 basal cells removed in November of last year and 3 different insurance companies told me that it would be less expensive if I waited until August 2015 to contact them for a quote.

The myth of the Affordable Care Act eliminating pre-existing conditions and making healthcare more affordable is just that: a myth.

[Archigeek]

This isn't what I was told. I had 2 basal cells removed in November of last year and 3 different insurance companies told me that it would be less expensive if I waited until August 2015 to contact them for a quote.

The myth of the Affordable Care Act eliminating pre-existing conditions and making healthcare more affordable is just that: a myth.

I guess we have our different experiences. As someone else with a pre-existing condition, I feel your pain. Healthcare is bewildering, and in some instances that obfuscation is deliberate. Here's a helpful link:

https://www.healthcare.gov/health-ca...ng-conditions/

You'll notice that the link above says they can't charge you extra or deny you because of a pre-existing condition. There's an exception to that, "grandfathered plans". It's possible that you have one of those, in which case, you should tell those insurance people who are telling you to wait to stick it. Looks to me like they just wanted you to wait till open enrollment was over, so they could charge you more. This might also be why your rates are going up so much. If you're in a grandfathered plan, compare it to some market plans and hopefully you can get cheaper coverage.

[Wrathbringer]

This isn't what I was told. I had 2 basal cells removed in November of last year and 3 different insurance companies told me that it would be less expensive if I waited until August 2015 to contact them for a quote.

The myth of the Affordable Care Act eliminating pre-existing conditions and making healthcare more affordable is just that: a myth.

It's all about establishing control of the healthcare system and eventually, every system. They sold it to us using lies and deceit, this is a confirmed fact and absolutely no one cares. Everyone is ready to go out and elect more of these jokers to this corporate farce of a government. Go vote, guys. It'll matter this time.

[Wrathbringer]

They'll just garnish silvers out of your GS bank account then.

Not if you buy simu's 30-day Garnishment Pass once a month.