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    You don't really want to read all of this, I'm just venting... again.

    Friday, I volunteered to help a friend re-do her bathroom floor. It had a sheet of curling 1980s vinyl over some 1940's linoleum. The plan we agreed on was to pull the toilet, pry up the sheet of vinyl, treat the surface of the linoleum, cut and paste the tiles in, replace the toilet. Boom, a one hour job.

    When I arrive, she has the top layer pulled off, and she's digging into the dry cork dust brittle linoleum layer, exposing a section of the poorly installed and rotting hardwood floor. The linoleum is glued to a layer of thick paper/thin cardboard, which is glued to the wood. The sink/vanity is also now in play, and has to removed. The shut off valves are broken, and will need to be replaced. After an hour we scrape down the the paper, there's pretty much no way to smooth this enough to put on the tile.

    She now wants to keep the hardwood. I explain this is a terrible idea, the wood is stained, rotted and has gaps between the boards. The toilet will be sitting a quarter inch in up in the air and will be wobbly unless it's shimmed, because I'm sure as hell not going to reinstall the cast iron drain pipe to the new floor level. My cat allergies are kicking in, it's going to take ten hours of labor to get the wood floor right. She says, don't worry about it, she'll do the wood floor part on her own. We soak down the paper sticking to the floor with some water, it turns into a brown slurry, and we get most of the paper off after another two hours. My throat is closing up, my nose is closed, I have to dash out of there. I reinstall the toilet, and warn her it's going to be tippy and she should pop some wedges under it. I left her to clean up the traces of slurry, and suggest she leave the bathroom window up, so it can dry.

    I woke up about ten times Friday night gasping for breath, as I couldn't breathe through my nose.

    Saturday, I return. She tells me the toilet is wobbling. She didn't bother cleaning the floor, and closed the bathroom window overnight. So, I'm working in a damp mess. I install the new valves, put the vanity back in place. The copper sink drainspout from the 1980s remodel snaps, another trip to the store. Another two hours in the house of cat, I did manage to get out before my throat closed up. I still slept like crap last night.

    She now wants to put a wall sink in to replace the crappy vanity/sink combo. This would actually be a great idea, if not for the crappy pretend tile paneling that's on the walls. When it was installed, they just roughed out the holes for the pipes, knowing a vanity was going to cover the mess. The kicker, is that she's selling the house. I'd happily help a friend do a complete bathroom renovation, if they were keeping the house, but I have zero desire to provide more than a minimal amount of labor just to put it on the market.
    Last edited by Ker_Thwap; 04-12-2015 at 10:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    You don't really want to read all of this, I'm just venting... again.

    Friday, I volunteered to help a friend re-do her bathroom floor. It had a sheet of curling 1980s vinyl over some 1940's linoleum. The plan we agreed on was to pull the toilet, pry up the sheet of vinyl, treat the surface of the linoleum, cut and paste the tiles in, replace the toilet. Boom, a one hour job.

    When I arrive, she has the top layer pulled off, and she's digging into the dry cork dust brittle linoleum layer, exposing a section of the poorly installed and rotting hardwood floor. The linoleum is glued to a layer of thick paper/thin cardboard, which is glued to the wood. The sink/vanity is also now in play, and has to removed. The shut off valves are broken, and will need to be replaced. After an hour we scrape down the the paper, there's pretty much no way to smooth this enough to put on the tile.

    She now wants to keep the hardwood. I explain this is a terrible idea, the wood is stained, rotted and has gaps between the boards. The toilet will be sitting a quarter in up in the air and will be wobbly unless it's shimmed, because I'm sure as hell not going to reinstall the cast iron drain pipe to the new floor level. My cat allergies are kicking in, it's going to take ten hours of labor to get the wood floor right. She says, don't worry about it, she'll do the wood floor part on her own. We soak down the paper sticking to the floor with some water, it turns into a brown slurry, and we get most of the paper off after another two hours. My throat is closing up, my nose is closed, I have to dash out of there. I reinstall the toilet, and warn her it's going to be tippy and she should pop some wedges under it. I left her to clean up the traces of slurry, and suggest she leave the bathroom window up, so it can dry.

    I woke up about ten times Friday night gasping for breath, as I couldn't breathe through my nose.

    Saturday, I return. She tells me the toilet is wobbling. She didn't bother cleaning the floor, and closed the bathroom window overnight. So, I'm working in a damp mess. I install the new valves, put the vanity back in place. The copper sink drainspout from the 1980s remodel snaps, another trip to the store. Another two hours in the house of cat, I did manage to get out before my throat closed up. I still slept like crap last night.

    She now wants to put a wall sink in to replace the crappy vanity/sink combo. This would actually be a great idea, if not for the crappy pretend tile paneling that's on the walls. When it was installed, they just roughed out the holes for the pipes, knowing a vanity was going to cover the mess. The kicker, is that she's selling the house. I'd happily help a friend do a complete bathroom renovation, if they were keeping the house, but I have zero desire to provide more than a minimal amount of labor just to put it on the market.
    I got halfway through it and realized she should have volunteered to pay you something for you volunteering. This goes beyond the typical, "HEY! Let me help you out!". You're a good person for helping, but eesh. Jesus was a carpenter. I bet HE didn't remodel bathrooms for free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackWhisper View Post
    I got halfway through it and realized she should have volunteered to pay you something for you volunteering. This goes beyond the typical, "HEY! Let me help you out!". You're a good person for helping, but eesh. Jesus was a carpenter. I bet HE didn't remodel bathrooms for free.
    Nah, I don't need the money, and she's poor. The frown was more a combo of I'm not physically able to work in her house due to the cat allergies, and the one hour nice clean job got turned into a 4-6 hour disgusting job. Getting paid wouldn't have changed any of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    Nah, I don't need the money, and she's poor. The frown was more a combo of I'm not physically able to work in her house due to the cat allergies, and the one hour nice clean job got turned into a 4-6 hour disgusting job. Getting paid wouldn't have changed any of that.
    Should have hired me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    Nah, I don't need the money, and she's poor. The frown was more a combo of I'm not physically able to work in her house due to the cat allergies, and the one hour nice clean job got turned into a 4-6 hour disgusting job. Getting paid wouldn't have changed any of that.
    She should still OFFER to pay, and you, as a good person understanding her situation turn down the payment. The point is that you acknowledge someone's worth and do something to show appreciation.

    Or offer to cook you dinner or something, just... something to mitigate that you got kinda fucked over here.
    I got that job, by the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnome Rage View Post
    She should still OFFER to pay, and you, as a good person understanding her situation turn down the payment. The point is that you acknowledge someone's worth and do something to show appreciation.

    Or offer to cook you dinner or something, just... something to mitigate that you got kinda fucked over here.
    Nah, we're friends, there's already a healthy amount of helping each other out. I don't like the whole game of balancing out effort in a friendship, and I feel appreciated already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androidpk View Post
    Should have hired me.
    I suspect her labor budget is about $23. Want me to put her in touch with you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    I suspect her labor budget is about $23. Want me to put her in touch with you?
    Depends on where in NH is. I could make due with a case of Corona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    Nah, we're friends, there's already a healthy amount of helping each other out. I don't like the whole game of balancing out effort in a friendship, and I feel appreciated already.
    Okie as long as you don't feel taken advantage of
    I got that job, by the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ker_Thwap View Post
    Nah, we're friends, there's already a healthy amount of helping each other out. I don't like the whole game of balancing out effort in a friendship, and I feel appreciated already.
    I agree. It's not a very healthy friendship if you are keeping a mental bar tab of who has given the most effort. Who needs resentful friends.
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