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    Quote Originally Posted by waywardgs View Post
    You let some stranger grow weed in your house?

    Why?
    Not MY house. Each person's door to their room locked from the outside, so it's a private to each tenant. Pretty sure that means I wasn't culpable if it ever did become a problem. That, and the fact that I spent maybe 1-2 nights a week there myself at that point, preferring to spend most of my time at my girlfriend's place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Androidpk View Post
    If marijuana should be illegal because of schizophrenia then why not just criminalize schizophrenia? Throw those people in jail, for their own safety and the safety of society at large.
    For the same reason we do not criminalize lung cancer.
    Quote Originally Posted by waywardgs
    Yes it does. Everything is interconnected. Nothing exists in a vacuum. What are you, some kind of anti-science nutjob?
    Our prison system is bad. We decriminalize X. Our prison system will still be bad, just for different people. Where's the connection?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen
    Women who are sexually active and not using contraception also shouldn't drink according to the research. A group of people for whom no amount of alcohol is considered safe. Your evidence has been provided. Something tells me nothing will change.
    I didn't ask for "a group of people", because marijuana is not unsafe for "a group of people". Women who are pregnant shouldn't even touch Propecia, but nobody thinks Propecia should be banned because of that.
    A study pointing to no causal link. That's 2 of your points down. Again, nothing will change.
    I didn't ask for a population study, I asked for "cohort or longitudinal methodology".
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    I'm still waiting on my study about the error margin of studies.
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    Lung cancer doesn't put other people at risk. Schizophrenia does. Therefore it only makes sense to jail schizophrenics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Our prison system is bad. We decriminalize X. Our prison system will still be bad, just for different people. Where's the connection?
    Our prison system is bad partly due to overcrowding. Decriminalize something that doesn't need to be criminal, alleviate some of the overcrowding. That's one connection. It's also one of the reasons so many states are decriminalizing simple possession charges. We don't need to be using our prison system as a clearinghouse for drug addicts, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ceyrin View Post
    I'm still waiting on my study about the error margin of studies.
    Pretty sure every study discusses its own margin of error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by waywardgs View Post
    Pretty sure every study discusses its own margin of error.
    Shhh... I want an exclusive one.
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    Default Colorado making so much money from drugs they don't know what to do with it all!

    He hasn't posted evidence that marijuana causes schizophrenia in people who do not use it before the age of 21. All of his studies posted to date, especially ones that match his requirements always include minors. No one here is advocating the legalization of marijuana for those under the age of 21. No law passed by the states legalizes the use of marijuana before the age of 21.

    Casual use of marijuana beyond the age of 21 has not been shown to be causally linked to schizophrenia. Plenty of drugs, including alcohol, have been proven to be harmful to children.

    Further, none of the studies Latrin has posted have ever attempted to quantify the purity or THC content within marijuana. The largest of his studies relies upon self-reporting of use without controlling for any of these factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Then we can compare stomach bleeding to schizophrenia. We already have implicitly by saying that stomach bleeding isn't worse than schizophrenia so the risk has to be as high or higher, but we can really get down to brass tacks once we have a fixed number for your rate.
    We have already implied that stomach bleeding isn't worse than schizophrenia? Who is "we" exactly? :/

    Stomach ulcers can lead to death, rare, but it can happen. Can schizophrenia lead to death?

    I did find this article:

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/159/1/23.full

    The incidence rate of symptomatic ulcer was 1.03 (95% confidence interval (CI): 0.97, 1.08) cases per 1,000 person-years. Compared with nonusers, the relative risk was 2.9 (95% CI: 2.3, 3.6) for aspirin
    So the relative risk for stomach ulcers increased almost threefold compared to those who don't use aspirin.

    The incidence of serious gastrointestinal complications has been estimated to be in the order of one case per 1,000 persons per year, with a fatality rate around 5–10 percent (1–4). This incidence was around two ... times higher for users of aspirin
    So if you use aspirin you are 3 times as likely to develop stomach ulcers compared to non aspirin users and you're twice as likely to develop serious complications that could result in death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    We have already implied that stomach bleeding isn't worse than schizophrenia? Who is "we" exactly? :/

    Stomach ulcers can lead to death, rare, but it can happen. Can schizophrenia lead to death?

    I did find this article:

    http://aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/159/1/23.full



    So the relative risk for stomach ulcers increased almost threefold compared to those who don't use aspirin.



    So if you use aspirin you are 3 times as likely to develop stomach ulcers compared to non aspirin users and you're twice as likely to develop serious complications that could result in death.
    I've taken the liberty of contacting representation for you.

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