Climate Change Report

[Latrinsorm]

Doctors have jobs because of a belief that man is afflicted by health issues and man can do something to stop it. To produce a report refuting that undermines their livelihood, so they have an inherent bias, no one should be surprised by this.

For the record, I have never thought of you as being a follower of the Koch brothers or similar. I just think you're not well trained in science. As evidence, I cite that you still haven't investigated the differences between longitudinal and cross sectional models in the context of the effects of marijuana use.

[Gelston]

Doctors have jobs because of a belief that man is afflicted by health issues and man can do something to stop it. To produce a report refuting that undermines their livelihood, so they have an inherent bias, no one should be surprised by this.

For the record, I have never thought of you as being a follower of the Koch brothers or similar. I just think you're not well trained in science. As evidence, I cite that you still haven't investigated the differences between longitudinal and cross sectional models in the context of the effects of marijuana use.

You talk about pot more than pot heads.

[crb]

Doctors have jobs because of a belief that man is afflicted by health issues and man can do something to stop it. To produce a report refuting that undermines their livelihood, so they have an inherent bias, no one should be surprised by this.

For the record, I have never thought of you as being a follower of the Koch brothers or similar. I just think you're not well trained in science. As evidence, I cite that you still haven't investigated the differences between longitudinal and cross sectional models in the context of the effects of marijuana use.

Medical studies blind, for a reason.

Climate studies are not, perhaps they should be.

Also, go fuck yourself.

[Latrinsorm]

Police officers only have jobs when there is crime. Therefore, police officers have an incentive to commit crime. Therefore, police officers commit crime.
Fire fighters only have jobs where there are fires. Therefore, fire fighters are arsonists.

This is kind of fun

[Atlanteax]

Police officers only have jobs when there is crime. Therefore, police officers have an incentive to commit crime. Therefore, police officers commit crime.
Fire fighters only have jobs where there are fires. Therefore, fire fighters are arsonists.

This is kind of fun

Black people only vote when there are handouts. Therefore Blacks have an incentive to not work.

Yea, this is fun!!

[Latrinsorm]

No see, because that's what crb already believes. The point of the game is to show how his reasoning leads to things he DOESN'T believe. You're really batting .1000 on this one.

[crb]

Police officers only have jobs when there is crime. Therefore, police officers have an incentive to commit crime. Therefore, police officers commit crime.
Fire fighters only have jobs where there are fires. Therefore, fire fighters are arsonists.

This is kind of fun

You've vanquished quite a strawman there.

Dogs have fleas, Latrine has fleas, therefor Latrine is a dog!

It is like you think I made up the existences of these biases? You see this all the time in research, in every field. Scientific breakthroughs don't happen with every study someone does, however there is tremendous pressure to produce some result from every study because you need to show something for the time and money that was spent. So researchers, the bad ones, will often jump to conclusions so they can publish something.

Reporting Bias is where an error is made in the way that the results are disseminated in the literature. With the growth of the internet, this type of bias is becoming a greater source of concern.

The main source of this type of bias arises because positive research tends to be reported much more often than research where the null hypothesis is upheld. Increasingly, research companies bury some research, trying to publicize favorable findings.

Unfortunately, for many types of studies, such as meta-analysis, the negative results are just as important to the statistics.

https://explorable.com/research-bias

It is almost as if you forget Google exists. I'm not making up all these various forms of bias that find their way into scientific research. It is bad enough when doing actual controlled experiments where someone disinterested can try to replicate your results. Observational experiments where all you can do is study the world and not design controls, such as climate studies, are even worse because so much relies on the researcher's views. I mean shit, here, 30 different types of biases: http://www.medicalbiostatistics.com/...0of%20bias.pdf

So in medicine we blind studies, make sure they can be repeated, and do everything we can to make sure the science is good, because we don't want to lead people astray and cause injury... but climate science is pushing arguably something as big of a deal, massive reformations of our economy, and we're not going to bother with any of that? Just assume that the researcher whose mortgage payment is dependent on there being government funding for climate change at his word that we need more government funding for climate change? I'm not saying the guy is purposefully lying (though some have proven to do so) I'm saying that all humans have biases and you need to adjust for them if you want to do real scientific studies.

Also....

Corrections officers only have jobs when there are prison sentences. Therefore corrections officers have an incentive to increase the length of prison sentences. Therefore the corrections officers union will lobby for harsh criminal sentencing. http://reason.com/reasontv/2012/10/3...-three-strikes

See your little logical strawmen were close, but not quite. I can do another one.

Police offers get more hours & overtime when they have more crimes to police. Therefor police officers have an incentive to keep laws on the book that criminalize victimless behavior. Therefor police officers routinely come down against harm reduction measures that aim to reduce violence by decriminalizing drugs or other vices like prostitution. Police don't have to deal drugs to profit from it. The one issue where drug dealers & police agree is on keeping drugs illegal. Funny that.

Also, yes, some firefighters commit arson (https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/...ons/tr-141.pdf or you know, try google) and some police plant evidence to drum up arrests.

Keep trying Latrine, keep trying.

[crb]

Oh shit, I just remembered you outed yourself as a mental patient in another thread... I don't know why I bother slumming by arguing with you on the Internet. What an unproductive use of my time.

[Parkbandit]

Oh shit, I just remembered you outed yourself as a mental patient in another thread... I don't know why I bother slumming by arguing with you on the Internet. What an unproductive use of my time.

Stop feeding the mentally disabled troll.

[Latrinsorm]

It is like you think I made up the existences of these biases? You see this all the time in research, in every field. Scientific breakthroughs don't happen with every study someone does, however there is tremendous pressure to produce some result from every study because you need to show something for the time and money that was spent. So researchers, the bad ones, will often jump to conclusions so they can publish something.

I think you made up the relative frequency of those biases, yes, because I think you use incentive theory as a crutch to avoid evaluating that which you disagree with on its merits. You don't verify that (for example) these climatologists have responded to the incentive to be biased, you just observe that they are so incentivized and jump to the conclusion that they did. Compare, if you will:

Also, yes, some firefighters commit arson (https://www.usfa.fema.gov/downloads/...ons/tr-141.pdf or you know, try google) and some police plant evidence to drum up arrests.

Climate scientists have jobs because of a belief that man is causing global warming and man can do something to stop it. To produce a report refuting that undermines their livelihood, so they have an inherent bias, no one should be surprised by this.

Do you notice the word missing from your statement about climate scientists?