Thread for Things That Made You Frown Today

[Thondalar]

Casual fast food use cannot cause obesity. If you have one Big Mac, you have not altered your risk of obesity. The same cannot be said for casual marijuana use and schizophrenia.

At this point you have to look at the clinical definition of schizophrenia. It gets a bit philosophical, but...if you look at the pure definition of it, the temporary delusional paranoia reported by marijuana users in your studies would constitute schizophrenic disorder, even though it rarely manifests itself as anything more dangerous than peering out your blinds incessantly.

This is not an accurate depiction of my position. I am using the term schizophrenia only for itself.

...and that's precisely my problem. Schizophrenia, as a clinical diagnoses, has many facets. You saying you're using the term "only for itself" means you're ignoring the fact that there are serious variants to the diagnoses, similar to "autism spectrum"...some autistics are completely incapable of participating in normal society, while others only need to be trained in certain coping mechanisms to be almost completely self-sufficient through normal life.

It shows an incredible lack of knowledge about a topic you seem to be so fervent about. Quite frankly, I don't see how you would expect anyone here to take you seriously after this, even those who may have, before now.

In the past I have repeatedly highlighted the interesting fact that marijuana is linked only with psychotic disorders and not affective ones. Affective disorders are clearly bad, so if I was doing what you were saying, why would I explicitly say marijuana DOESN'T cause them?

This further shows your lack of knowledge in this field. Psychotic and Affective are not equal classifications. It's not either/or.

Since you bring up your personal experience, suppose you were guaranteed that your child would develop schizophrenia. Would you subject them to a treatment that had a 1 in 5000 chance of killing them if you were also guaranteed it would cure them?

I can honestly say, no. This goes back to the fact that not all schizophrenia is the same. Even if I knew they would have the most severe form, I wouldn't be for "curing" them...eugenics isn't really my field. There is a very long love/hate relationship between genius and insanity...and personally, I envy the mentally invalid. They live a care-free life, and have never once tried to comprehend the things in my head daily...God bless them.

If I had a child, I am pretty confident I would do so if it spared them my mental illnesses.

You say this from a position of someone who hasn't been there, and assumes the worst because you don't know any better. It's common.

I can't speak for America, but I believe it should be because I have investigated the facts of the matter. This is usually a better approach than believing rhetoric.

You're full of shit, see above.

Kaldonis was operating under the mistaken belief that marijuana use and schizophrenia are uncorrelated. If you hold that belief, my contention that there is a causal link makes no sense. As I say, though, that belief is mistaken. I assumed that Kaldonis became aware of this, which is why he never responded to my question asking him to back it up.

More likely he realized you're a complete tard, as I've unequivocally proven above.

[subzero]

Where is this study that unequivocally proves that the smoking of one joint results in an automatic increase in the chance of schizophrenia again? Could you provide that link?

Fuck their study. I should be a schizo by now if they were on to anything. They aren't, I'm not, yaaaay, I peed in your pool!

[Fallen]

Fuck their study. I should be a schizo by now if they were on to anything. They aren't, I'm not, yaaaay, I peed in your pool!

Yeah, that study....even reading the abstract...

Results

Research in the past 20 years has shown that driving while cannabis-impaired approximately doubles car crash risk

Conclusions

The epidemiological literature in the past 20 years shows that cannabis use increases the risk of accidents

"Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows"
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...historic-lows/

Most types of crime, including violent crimes? Down.

http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/720/documents/statistics/2014/UCR_Citywide_Reported%20_Offenses_2014.pdf

[AnticorRifling]

Lost a buddy from the Marine Corps.

[Parkbandit]

Lost a buddy from the Marine Corps.

Sorry man.

[Atlanteax]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/08/us/flo...ter/index.html

(CNN)A 5-year-old Florida girl was killed after her father tossed her from a bridge from his car, police said Thursday.
As a St. Petersburg police officer was driving home just after midnight, he saw a car whiz past him, driving about 100 miles per hour, authorities said.
When the car neared the top of the Dick Misener Bridge, the driver stopped.
"The man reached into the back seat, grabbed his little girl, held her under the arms and then threw her over the railing and into water," St. Petersburg police spokeswoman Yolanda Fernandez told CNN affiliate WFLA.
"The officer heard the splash and immediately tried to climb down underneath the bridge ... to try to save her, but the current was very strong there."
WFLA reports that it's about a 62-foot drop to the water from that point on the bridge.
The father drove off but was later arrested in neighboring Manatee County.
The body of the girl was later recovered.
Police have charged John Jonchuck Jr, 25, with murder in the death of his daughter Phoebe. He is being held at the Pinellas County Jail.
Police have not disclosed a motive.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/04/us/ore...ild/index.html

A 6-year-old boy was found dead in the frigid waters of Oregon's Yaquina Bay after his mother told police she threw him off a bridge Monday evening, authorities said.
The body of London McCabe was found in the water about a mile from the Yaquina Bay Bridge about 10:20 p.m., roughly four hours after his mother called 911 to say she'd thrown him from the span, Newport police said.
The mother, Jillian Meredith McCabe, 34, was arrested on charges of aggravated murder, murder and first-degree manslaughter, police said.
McCabe, of nearby Seal Rock, called police around 6:30 p.m. Monday "saying she threw her child over the side," Newport Police Chief Mark Miranda said.
The water of Yaquina Bay is more than 100 feet below the bridge. Chances of survival from a fall that high were "minimal," Miranda said.
Even if a person survived the fall, the chief said, one could survive the frigid water for only about 20 minutes.
Police have not commented on the cause of the boy's death or a possible motive.
McCabe was being held at the Lincoln County jail Tuesday morning with bail set at $750,000.
Two boats and a Coast Guard helicopter searched the water for hours before the body was found, Coast Guard spokesman Jonathan Klingenberg told CNN.

People like these go on the should-be-unceremoniously-executed-and-dumped-into-a-ditch list.

[Warriorbird]

Lost a buddy from the Marine Corps.

That's rough. Had one of my first high school classmates go earlier this year.

[Allereli]

stuck sneezes

[Latrinsorm]

So one study that is no longer public, and another that is 12 years old is your definitive proof that 1 joint causes 0.2 now? % increase chance in schizophrenia? Am I getting that right?

The study is still public, you just can't get it for free over the internet. Go to your local library! Then go to another, more better library! Because your local library is probably garbage. Anyway, Ker_Thwap and I both vouch for it so the content is settled. I'm not sure why you bring the age up, do you want it to be older or younger?

I'm also reading that the most at risk from marijuana according to these studies are adolescents. The legalization movement in America is, to the best of my knowledge, setting the minimum age one can purchase the drug at 21. I wonder how it would affect these numbers if you removed the 15-20 cohort?

The New Zealand studies are your best bet there, they go year by year from birth into the twenties. For the record, there is no single legalization movement in America and at least one group doesn't feel the need to set a minimum age.

It's all silly. Those suffering from schizophrenia will often self-medicate with marijuana and other drugs. To date, I think i've seen one wide-scale study that attempts to control for that variable.

Wow. Zammit specifically controls for that. Why did you ask me for a citation if you weren't even going to read it? Save us both some time and dispense with the pretense of considering the facts. I won't mind, I see it from almost everyone else here already.

the contentious issue of whether cannabis use can cause serious psychotic disorders that would not otherwise have occurred cannot be answered from the existing data.

Of course it can't. Come on man, you do this research for a living don't you? Can you prove that Rat #125 wouldn't have developed X disease anyway? It's a completely unscientific objection.

Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows

This is also not scientific, as I have explained to you in the past:

Scenario 1
You jump out of an airplane => your altitude decreases.
You open your parachute => your altitude decreases.
Did the parachute slow you down?

Scenario 2
Colorado increases police spending (or whatever) => the rate of highway fatalities decreases from 2012 to 2013
Colorado legalizes marijuana => the rate of highway fatalities decreases from 2013 to 2014
Did the legalization slow the rate down?

It drives me nuts how you people will go to any lengths to find confounding factors for linking marijuana use to schizophrenia, even ones that have been expressly ruled out, but when it comes to finding confounding factors for linking marijuana use to something good you're suddenly powerless.

[Latrinsorm]

Yeah, it's a ludicrous claim with exactly 1/3 of the evidence early tobacco researchers had (at best).

Bro, if you don't see the humor in demanding cellular pathologies for schizophrenia, I don't know what to tell you.

At this point you have to look at the clinical definition of schizophrenia. It gets a bit philosophical, but...if you look at the pure definition of it, the temporary delusional paranoia reported by marijuana users in your studies would constitute schizophrenic disorder, even though it rarely manifests itself as anything more dangerous than peering out your blinds incessantly.

My studies have never been based on self-reporting. They have always been based on diagnoses by mental health professionals.

...and that's precisely my problem. Schizophrenia, as a clinical diagnoses, has many facets. You saying you're using the term "only for itself" means you're ignoring the fact that there are serious variants to the diagnoses, similar to "autism spectrum"...some autistics are completely incapable of participating in normal society, while others only need to be trained in certain coping mechanisms to be almost completely self-sufficient through normal life.

It shows an incredible lack of knowledge about a topic you seem to be so fervent about. Quite frankly, I don't see how you would expect anyone here to take you seriously after this, even those who may have, before now.

I have investigated the CIDI, the diagnostic tool most frequently used in my studies. I am comfortable with its reliability, and much more confident in its impartiality in evaluating mental health than yours when it comes to evaluating things I say.

I can honestly say, no. This goes back to the fact that not all schizophrenia is the same. Even if I knew they would have the most severe form, I wouldn't be for "curing" them...eugenics isn't really my field. There is a very long love/hate relationship between genius and insanity...and personally, I envy the mentally invalid. They live a care-free life, and have never once tried to comprehend the things in my head daily...God bless them.

Case in point. Mental health treatment is eugenics? Mental disease is care-free? Sheesh.

Fuck their study. I should be a schizo by now if they were on to anything. They aren't, I'm not, yaaaay, I peed in your pool!

And not every smoker gets cancer, yet we don't give pee pools to everyone.