Climate Change Report

[Latrinsorm]

When have I ever said he was or was not a shill? In fact at one point I even conceded to cwolff he was a shill just to get past that part and move on to why his relationship with energy companies invalidates what he said in that video.

Yet here we are, still debating on if he's a shill or not and not moving past this.

You conceded, or you're conceited?

[Parkbandit]

You're still defending him. Why?

Defending him? I'm certainly not defending him, since I have no idea who he is other than from that video and the wikipedia post.

I've been saying is that he's paid to say this stuff and they didn't let the viewers know this.

How do we know he was paid by Penn and Teller? And if he was paid, wouldn't they also pay for other guest speakers on that clip?

Haven't even talked about the content of his speech yet that has not stopped you guys from making an assumption about what you think I'm saying.

You said you couldn't get through even half of the video to even talk about what the content of his speech yet. You dismissed everything he said, called him a shill and attempted to divert the conversation in another direction.

Stay on point and address the issues one at a time.

STOP WITH THE IRONY ALREADY! I SAID I WAS FULL!!!

So, let's go back to the video and see if you can get through the whole thing without being distracted by the evil shill.. and get back to us and talk about the content of it. We'll wait!

[Warriorbird]

When have I ever said he was or was not a shill? In fact at one point I even conceded to cwolff he was a shill just to get past that part and move on to why his relationship with energy companies invalidates what he said in that video.

Yet here we are, still debating on if he's a shill or not and not moving past this.

A further step.

Here's a point for you. Somebody who's turned his back on his famously proclaimed belief that PR reps are bad and is now a PR rep for energy/logging companies might not be very convincing when critiquing environmentalists.

[Tgo01]

You conceded, or you're conceited?

Both, you tramp.

Oh boy. A further step.

Here's a point for you. Somebody who's turned his back on his famously proclaimed belief that PR reps are bad and is now a PR rep for energy/logging companies might not be very convincing when critiquing environmentalists.

This is the fallacy I pointed out several pages back. You're attacking the man making the argument rather than attacking his arguments.

[cwolff]

You = cwolff.

So what's your beef with Moore talking on that show then? What's wrong with what he said?

Nothing wrong per se. It is unethical to keep presenting him based on his greenpeace credentials without also letting the viewer know that he's got a financial interest in defending these industries.

[Parkbandit]

Not actually what I said. Your most recent examples of doing something that you've attacked people in the past over involve posting links without discussion (when you've said people should have more content in their posts)

Isn't me posting links and videos in "DUMB THINGS LIBERALS SAY" my commentary enough, or do you actually require me to say "This is something dumb a liberal said" after everything I ever post in that thread?

Sometimes, the reader has to have the intelligence to actually put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4.

Sorry you got 3

using ... as a constant transition (when you've attacked people over it)

I've attacked people for using "..."? Please provide a link, given that I have always posted in that manner.

using point by point quote stuffed posts (when you used to rail against Tsa'ah over it),

When he did it, it made an entire page. I attempt not to do that, unless I'm given a post that is chuck full of shit (like the one I'm quoting in this post)

and claiming that nobody agrees with someone on something when people clearly do or our game of political football would have ended long ago.

Huh?

You also like to go off on people about using repeated lines of argument but this is one of your favorites and you do it constantly.

People? No, it's just you. AYN RAND, IRAQ WAR, OBAMACARE IS A REPUBLICAN IDEA, etc.. You are like a dog latched on to something you honestly believe is an intelligent thought and you want the whole world know you had one (even when it's not)

[cwolff]

Defending him? I'm certainly not defending him, since I have no idea who he is other than from that video and the wikipedia post.



How do we know he was paid by Penn and Teller? And if he was paid, wouldn't they also pay for other guest speakers on that clip?

Stay on point and address the issues one at a time
STOP WITH THE IRONY ALREADY! I SAID I WAS FULL!!!

So, let's go back to the video and see if you can get through the whole thing without being distracted by the evil shill.. and get back to us and talk about the content of it. We'll wait!

Look at minute 3:50. Ross whatever his name is, introduces himself as an environmental journalist. Immediately following his conversation they introduce Moore as a Greenpeace co-founder and lifelong ecologist. To keep things ethical they should have introduced him by what he does now also. They used the journalist current job and the shill's former job.

Should have been "I"m Ross blah blah blah and I'm an environmental journalist" Followed by "I'm Patrick Moore and I'm a communications consultant for Timber, Energy, Chemicals blah blah blah"

We can talk about your video but it's shit. It's kind of funny and I like laughing at the hippies who sound so stupid but it's not journalism. It's at best info-tainment.

[Parkbandit]

I bet PB is an excellent salesman. Aassuming he can filter himself in public, we already know he can talk in circles until he gets his way. And the people that don't want TECO? Well those people are LIBTARDED!

Actually, I'm pretty much great at everything I do.

You should spend more time seducing desperate husbands for 1 night stands and less time posting nonsense. I'm sure if they are desperate enough, you could find something you are "excellent" at for a change.

[Parkbandit]

Let me be clear about this. He's on the video as a countervoice to the environmentalists. Do we agree on that?

Absolutely.

[Parkbandit]

A further step.

Here's a point for you. Somebody who's turned his back on his famously proclaimed belief that PR reps are bad and is now a PR rep for energy/logging companies might not be very convincing when critiquing environmentalists.

You realize that was decades ago. Are you suggesting that you've never changed your mind about things years later down the road?

Silliness.