Obama's Manhood Problem

[Tgo01]

Then do this. Next time race is brought up on the PC political folders, don't automatically shout reverse-racism B.S. Slow down, take some deep breaths and discuss it like the open minded guy you aspire to be.

I don't think anyone has any problem discussing racism. What people have a problem with is someone blindly shouting racism when no evidence of racism exists.

And you want people to rationally discuss this when the whole basis of the argument is not rational at all?

[cwolff]

lol at not knowing that the birther movement was racially motivated

There's no absolute proof or the standard of proof required to decisively demonstrate this is not possible. This message is handled around the water cooler, dog-whistle words, and a kind of "you know what I mean" word of mouth since it was a propaganda campaign appealing to the irrational and sub-conscious. It's also a scary thing for the conservatives to admit racism. It means that they'll have to change and they're already flummoxed with demographic changes. It's kind of like Climate Change really. As long as you can pretend there is no problem, you don't actually have to do the heavy lifting to fix it. It'll change but slowly. Just like gay marriage. The rest of the country will have to either wait for the older generations to die off or fight so hard that they force change.

[Allereli]

I didn't say it wasn't... given that Hillary Clinton initiated it. Those white people from Arkansas can't be trusted!

I'm just saying that it can't all be attributed to everyone questioning anything about Obama is because of racism.

and who embraced it?

[Parkbandit]

and who embraced it?

People trying to get their candidate elected/nominated?

Oh yea, and definitely Obama himself.

[cwolff]

I don't think anyone has any problem discussing racism. What people have a problem with is someone blindly shouting racism when no evidence of racism exists.

And you want people to rationally discuss this when the whole basis of the argument is not rational at all?

I have yet to see an example of this. I got to the politics folder about when Zimmerman and Martin did. That was some racist shit. Even the possibility that Martin got profiled for being black, wearing a hoodie and/or in the wrong neighborhood was met with outrage by the folks (I'm sure I don't have to list them) defending Zimmerman. My rep also lit up with racist shit. One of you fucks even wrote "Die Nigger".

We've got racist issues here on the PC and I've not seen one example of a racially tinged political discussion that didn't almost immediately devolve into serious defensiveness from the usual suspects.

Let's pay attention and maybe the next time it comes up everyone can chill out and look at the issue without feeling attacked.

[Tgo01]

If this is not the general feeling of the Republican party, what is being done to drive this element out?

So everything any member of one party says is representative of the entire party unless the party as a whole tries to drive this member out?

Man oh man, are the Democrats ever going to be sorry they have Back in their ranks.

[Tgo01]

I have yet to see an example of this. I got to the politics folder about when Zimmerman and Martin did. That was some racist shit. Even the possibility that Martin got profiled for being black, wearing a hoodie and/or in the wrong neighborhood was met with outrage by the folks (I'm sure I don't have to list them) defending Zimmerman.

This is exactly what I mean. What evidence was there that Zimmerman racially profiled Martin? Zero. Did the federal government ever follow through with prosecuting Zimmerman because he racially profiled Martin? I don't think so, most likely due to lack of evidence.

We've got racist issues here on the PC and I've not seen one example of a racially tinged political discussion that didn't almost immediately devolve into serious defensiveness from the usual suspects.

Maybe because after years of the race baiters screaming "Racist!" at the drop of a hat you've all lost the chance for a civil discussion. This should be a lesson to you. You have failed the PC and all of mankind. I know you will do the honorable thing.

Let's pay attention and maybe the next time it comes up everyone can chill out and look at the issue without feeling attacked.

If the issue is a serious issue where racism was involved then sure. If not then no.

[Allereli]

So everything any member of one party says is representative of the entire party unless the party as a whole tries to drive this member out?

yes, all those examples I gave were from one person.

[cwolff]

So everything any member of one party says is representative of the entire party unless the party as a whole tries to drive this member out?

Man oh man, are the Democrats ever going to be sorry they have Back in their ranks.

Where are the moderate republicans to stand up to this shit? We've demanded action from moderate muslims to speak out against islamic fanatics. Time has come for moderate conservatives to speak up and take back their party!

At least they are pulling back from Bundy now. Overt racism is easy to deal with. Southern strategy style racism can only be addressed from within the rights centers of power.

Bill Hemmer: "Where Are The Moderate Muslim Leaders Who Are Coming Out And Saying This Is Wrong?" During a segment on the attack in Kenya, America's Newsroom co-host Bill Hemmer said, "We wonder where the outrage is, especially from the Muslim world." After playing a clip of Bill O'Reilly accusing Muslims of not condemning the attacks, Hemmer added, "The point is clear: Where are the moderate Muslim leaders who are coming out and saying this is wrong, we condemn it, we won't stand for it, we will not allow our religion to be defamed on behalf of these idiots?" [Fox News, America's Newsroom, 9/24/13]

Bill O'Reilly: "You Hear No Outcry From The Billion Muslims In The World About" Muslim Terrorism. On his Fox News show, Bill O'Reilly highlighted the Kenya attack and said the Muslim world is doing "nothing" to confront Muslim terrorism. He later added, "You hear no outcry from the billion Muslims in the world about this. They don't rise up and chase these guys out of town." [Fox News, The O'Reilly Factor, 9/23/13]

Bob Beckel: "The Time Has Come For" Moderate Muslims To "Stand Up And Say Something." The Five co-host Bob Beckel said that no more mosques should be built in America until moderate Muslims "denounce" the attacks in Kenya:

[Tgo01]

yes, all those examples I gave were from one person.

Do you think the birther movement even represented one half of one percent of all Republicans?

I know the media made it seem like the entire Republican party were all a bunch of red neck racists looking to get the black man out of office but it really was a small fringe group of people.