Obama's Manhood Problem

[cwolff]

If only it were that simple, right? I'm sure the quality of care will be quite amazing.

Let's also not forget...

At least we're seeing some improvement in your position. You've gone from bold declarative sentences to "I'm sure..."

[Allereli]

Ah, the "fair share" argument. Fair share according to who? You? Obummer? This is a fascist argument. Stalin would be proud. As for a Republican plan, I guess you people only remember Obama's assertion that the Affordable (lol) care act is based on Romneycare, who, btw, is a Republican, when it suits you. Government should not be involved in healthcare, so the lack of a plan and rather a push for repeal from the "conservative" (lol again) party only makes sense. Also, I agree with you about Obummer screwing up everything.

you should stick with the "faggot" argument. Obummer is less harsh

[Wrathbringer]

you should stick with the "faggot" argument. Obummer is less harsh

Excellent rebuttal. Well done.

[Allereli]

Two decades from now: Q: "Has Obummercare been a net loss?" A: "It's way too early to say..."

umm, no. Since the sign up period just started 6 months ago, I think another 3 years is a good amount of time to see how people and insurance companies adapt.

[waywardgs]

Two decades from now: Q: "Has Obummercare been a net loss?" A: "It's way too early to say..."

Holy shit, Wrathbringer's got a crystal ball. Quick, ask it what I'm going to eat for dinner tonight. The correct answer: WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT AND AS MUCH AS I WANT, GODDAMN NAZI FASCIST COMMIE FUCKS!

[Thondalar]

where are your numbers that it's been a net loss? It's way too early to say. If some numbers are negative, adjustments can be made while maintaining the areas of positive progress. Stripping the entire law like the Republican party wants to do is just fucking stupid, adjusting it as we go along is not.

Anecdotal? I lost my previous insurance and now have premiums so high I'm paying out the ass and can only hope to see some amount of refund if something actually catastrophic happens. I'm seriously at the point where I'll just take the penalty on my tax refund...I usually owe at the end of the year anyway, so fuck it.

Nation-wide, let's add it all up...roughly 6 million people lost their previous insurance (even though Obama said it wouldn't change) and barely 4 million have signed up to the new exchange...numbers are hard to track here, but on it's face that's a net loss of 2 million people. It's apples to oranges, and that actually makes it even worse...you have a lot of that 4 million who signed up who didn't have insurance to begin with, and you have a lot of that 6 million (like me) who haven't signed up because we'd lose money on the deal. To this let's add the "website debacle" as you put it, and the fact that it's another thousand pages of bullshit bureaucracy that does absolutely nothing to actually help healthcare in the US.

Progress without logic isn't progress at all. It's just mouth service.

[cwolff]

The illogical part of this debate is that the right is just anti-aca. That's it. No amount of talking about it can help with this. Take a look at this thread. People are calling the program a failure when it's barely even started. How the fuck do any of you know it's a failure? Bad website or not, they hit their targets, which weren't even a real target. The 7million signups estimate came from the CBO's estimate of people needed for the exchanges. Obama adopted that number as a goal. Then they hit 8 million and the monkeys start screeching about something different.

The more we talk about this the more I realize that the PC right wingers have no fucking idea what they're talking about. None. Just banging away at the keyboards to make noise.

[Wrathbringer]

Holy shit, Wrathbringer's got a crystal ball. Quick, ask it what I'm going to eat for dinner tonight. The correct answer: WHATEVER THE FUCK I WANT AND AS MUCH AS I WANT, GODDAMN NAZI FASCIST COMMIE FUCKS!

It's all becoming clear....one moment....yes, yes, I see it now...for dinner, you'll be having more of the same equine feces that Obummer and the liberal media have been serving up for the last 6+ years...ah! and you'll be having guests! Back, cwolff, Allereli and Warriorbird! Good thing there's plenty to go around!

[Thondalar]

The illogical part of this debate is that the right is just anti-aca. That's it. No amount of talking about it can help with this. Take a look at this thread. People are calling the program a failure when it's barely even started. How the fuck do any of you know it's a failure? Bad website or not, they hit their targets, which weren't even a real target. The 7million signups estimate came from the CBO's estimate of people needed for the exchanges. Obama adopted that number as a goal. Then they hit 8 million and the monkeys start screeching about something different.

The more we talk about this the more I realize that the PC right wingers have no fucking idea what they're talking about. None. Just banging away at the keyboards to make noise.

I tend right on some issues, but I'm far from a right-winger, and I called this a piece of shit before it was passed, simply on it's merits as a bill. Since it's been passed, there has been nothing to sway my opinion. Nothing.

[cwolff]

I tend right on some issues, but I'm far from a right-winger, and I called this a piece of shit before it was passed, simply on it's merits as a bill. Since it's been passed, there has been nothing to sway my opinion. Nothing.

No you're not and though I disagree with you on ACA I think of you as a libertarian so that post wasn't really directed at you.