More Obamacare fuckups

[Methais]

Stepping up and doing your part rather than being a freeloader is actually a rather conservative idea.

What are your thoughts on how so many of our tax dollars go into the pockets of the freeloaders you refer to?

[Latrinsorm]

We were the greatest and best country in the world the day we ratified our Constitution.

A fifth of the nation in bondage, gross disenfranchisement, four armed rebellions before the turn of the century, blatant curtailing of the First Amendment. The federal government explicitly said that for anyone "To write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done, or assist in it" criticism of the government would be fined $2,000 ($27 grand today) and imprisoned for 2 years.

Doesn't sound too great to me, bro.

[Latrinsorm]

"my party" doesn't want to go back to the Articles of Confederation. That is the far extreme...right now we're getting very near the opposite extreme. We're trying to get back a little closer to the middle.

Let us assume for the sake of argument that this is the most totalitarian and socialist the United States has ever been. Do you really think that we can't be any more so? Really??? Maybe you should spend less time studying US history and look into Germany, Italy, Russia.

[Thondalar]

You're certainly deaf to why the tax happened, much like your deafness to why the Federal Reserve happened. It's convenient to ignore our success since they've occurred and hyper focus on your perceived loss of "freedoms."

The tax happened because the powerful got greedy. Same with the Federal Reserve. We're trillions and trillions of dollars in debt right now...sorry, but I don't consider that a success.

Also, this is completely unrelated to my loss of freedoms. I wasn't aware the Patriot Act had any clauses relating to taxation or the Fed.

You don't want to pay taxes.

Never said that. Quite the opposite, actually.

You don't want any useful social programs.

Never said that either.

You don't want lawsuits to stop corporate actions.

I think there should be bigger penalties for people who bring frivolous lawsuits, but I'm not against the idea completely. I do think that busybody lawyers have caused more harm than good in the long term, though it's hard to weight the negatives and positives in any realistic manner.

You don't want regulations to protect us.

I'm against a lot of regulations that exist under the guise of protecting us, and I think people should be more responsible for their own protection.

Many of you don't even want to fund the military

I think we could stand to cut the budget there by several billion, and change some of the ways we do business with it, but completely defunding it is absurd.

police, fire prevention, and schools.

Got no problem paying municipal taxes, already said that.

What does that sound like?

A logical, well-adjusted person.

[Warriorbird]

What are your thoughts on how so many of our tax dollars go into the pockets of the freeloaders you refer to?

I don't obsess about other people "taking my share." I know what's in the budget apart from the welfare queen meme. If I wanted to waste my time I could certainly spend all day worrying about my tax dollars going to questionable things that don't even come close to government benefits.

[Thondalar]

A fifth of the nation in bondage, gross disenfranchisement, four armed rebellions before the turn of the century, blatant curtailing of the First Amendment. The federal government explicitly said that for anyone "To write, print, utter or publish, or cause it to be done, or assist in it" criticism of the government would be fined $2,000 ($27 grand today) and imprisoned for 2 years.

Doesn't sound too great to me, bro.

It laid the foundation for what was to come. You cannot fault the Constitution because the government took it's sweet time to start following it.

[Latrinsorm]

It laid the foundation for what was to come. You cannot fault the Constitution because the government took it's sweet time to start following it.

I didn't say the Constitution was bad. I said that we weren't the greatest and best nation in the world in 1789, and it looks like you agree. Hugs!

[Warriorbird]

The tax happened because the powerful got greedy. Same with the Federal Reserve. We're trillions and trillions of dollars in debt right now...sorry, but I don't consider that a success.

Also, this is completely unrelated to my loss of freedoms. I wasn't aware the Patriot Act had any clauses relating to taxation or the Fed.



Never said that. Quite the opposite, actually.



Never said that either.



I think there should be bigger penalties for people who bring frivolous lawsuits, but I'm not against the idea completely. I do think that busybody lawyers have caused more harm than good in the long term, though it's hard to weight the negatives and positives in any realistic manner.



I'm against a lot of regulations that exist under the guise of protecting us, and I think people should be more responsible for their own protection.



I think we could stand to cut the budget there by several billion, and change some of the ways we do business with it, but completely defunding it is absurd.



Got no problem paying municipal taxes, already said that.



A logical, well-adjusted person.

Or maybe, just maybe, we have the tax for the purposes of global competition and the Federal Reserve to prevent financial panics and to actually have a monetary policy. Besides. You're a Libertarian. Aren't you supposed to idolize the greedy rich and powerful? What I described sounds quite like the Articles and you stand right up for it.

[Thondalar]

Aren't you supposed to idolize the greedy rich and powerful?

This is a common misconception from those blinded by jealousy and hate. Idolize certainly wouldn't be the right word. I have a lot of respect for people who become rich and powerful by their own hard work...old money doesn't really impress me much. I also understand that leaders of Industry drive our economy and employ our people, contributing to our $50,000 per capita GDP, one of the highest in the world, and that attempting to hinder them only hinders our own citizens.

What I described sounds quite like the Articles and you stand right up for it.

I'm starting to think you don't actually read anything I type.

[Warriorbird]

This is a common misconception from those blinded by jealousy and hate. Idolize certainly wouldn't be the right word. I have a lot of respect for people who become rich and powerful by their own hard work...old money doesn't really impress me much. I also understand that leaders of Industry drive our economy and employ our people, contributing to our $50,000 per capita GDP, one of the highest in the world, and that attempting to hinder them only hinders our own citizens.

I'm starting to think you don't actually read anything I type.

How exactly am I blinded by jealousy and hate? You're the one who suggested that the Federal income tax and the Federal Reserve exist because of the "greedy and powerful."

Those are both reasons why our per capita GDP is so high.