More Obamacare fuckups

[cwolff]

"Some people can’t afford medical care in the U.S. But they are necessarily a small minority in a free or even semi-free country. If they were the majority, the country would be an utter bankrupt and could not even think of a national medical program. As to this small minority, in a free country they have to rely solely on private, voluntary charity. Yes, charity, the kindness of the doctors or of the better off—charity, not right, i.e. not their right to the lives or work of others. And such charity, I may say, was always forthcoming in the past in America. The advocates of Medicaid and Medicare under LBJ did not claim that the poor or old in the ’60′s got bad care; they claimed that it was an affront for anyone to have to depend on charity.

But the fact is: You don’t abolish charity by calling it something else. If a person is getting health care for nothing, simply because he is breathing, he is still getting charity, whether or not any politician, lobbyist or activist calls it a “right.” To call it a right when the recipient did not earn it is merely to compound the evil. It is charity still—though now extorted by criminal tactics of force, while hiding under a dishonest name."

-Leonard Peikoff

Too bad you got this religion after you were on welfare. It could have saved us some money.

[Thondalar]

Too bad you got this religion after you were on welfare. It could have saved us some money.

I had this "religion" well before taking food stamps for a few months. I used them because they were there, and I had a right to a refund of my money that was taken from me against my will in the first place.

I've paid in WELL more than I've taken, even if you only count the 4 years of taxes I paid prior to receiving benefits...it wouldn't have saved you anything.

[cwolff]

This is a new development. Is he the first Republican to admit this?

“I think one of the most unfortunate things my party did the last three years was not offer an alternative to health care,” Ross responded. “I’ve always felt that way. I think it’s absurd when I tell people that this isn’t what you should do, but I don’t have an alternative for you.”

Ross continued by explaining that he had proposed a patient healthcare bill that would cover pre-existing conditions, permit the interstate sale of insurance, and allow for health saving accounts saying, “I think these are good ideas, I would support them.”

Ross then admitted, “My party decided to not bring anything up.”

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[Warriorbird]

I had this "religion" well before taking food stamps for a few months. I used them because they were there, and I had a right to a refund of my money that was taken from me against my will in the first place.

I've paid in WELL more than I've taken, even if you only count the 4 years of taxes I paid prior to receiving benefits...it wouldn't have saved you anything.

There's a whole lot of interesting concepts here. The first is the idea that tax money is taken "against your will." You enjoy the benefits of being a citizen of the United States. You have no "right to the refund of your money" just because you think you're special.

If you get money and other people do not, that is another benefit to you.

[cwolff]

I've paid in WELL more than I've taken, even if you only count the 4 years of taxes I paid prior to receiving benefits...it wouldn't have saved you anything.

Let's do the math. How much did you pay in federal taxes for those four years and how much did you receive in various welfare programs? It will be interesting to see the rates of pmnt vs. withdrawal.

[waywardgs]

Cliven Bundy lives in the world of "some taxes shouldn't apply to me because I disagree with them" too.

[Thondalar]

There's a whole lot of interesting concepts here. The first is the idea that tax money is taken "against your will." You enjoy the benefits of being a citizen of the United States. You have no "right to the refund of your money" just because you think you're special.

The United States existed for over a hundred years before we had an income tax.

I enjoy the Rights and Freedoms (what few are left) that the United States affords me...this has nothing to do with taxes. These are principles that exist regardless of economy or situation. I enjoy the benefits of my own hard work in an environment that allows hard work to make me prosperous.

I gain no benefit from Federal taxes over the benefit I would gain from not having them.

As a side note, I have no problem at all paying local property taxes and other municipal taxes, since these provide services I actually use.

[Methais]

There's a whole lot of interesting concepts here. The first is the idea that tax money is taken "against your will." You enjoy the benefits of being a citizen of the United States. You have no "right to the refund of your money" just because you think you're special.

If you get money and other people do not, that is another benefit to you.

So paying taxes = freedom?

[Jeril]

So paying taxes = freedom?

We do have to pay for the freedom we enjoy, hence taxes. However, the fact that our government sucks when it comes to spending that money wisely is another matter. In many ways we have no one to blame but ourselves though.

[Warriorbird]

The United States existed for over a hundred years before we had an income tax.

I enjoy the Rights and Freedoms (what few are left) that the United States affords me...this has nothing to do with taxes. These are principles that exist regardless of economy or situation. I enjoy the benefits of my own hard work in an environment that allows hard work to make me prosperous.

I gain no benefit from Federal taxes over the benefit I would gain from not having them.

As a side note, I have no problem at all paying local property taxes and other municipal taxes, since these provide services I actually use.

You seem to be woefully unaware of the tax structure that existed before the income tax. You also seem completely unaware of all the benefits you get from the federal government.

On top of both of those, you're still deaf to the miserable failure the Articles of Confederation was.

So paying taxes = freedom?

Stepping up and doing your part rather than being a freeloader is actually a rather conservative idea.