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His issue is that solar energy isn't profitable without government help compared to other sources. Didn't we go over this some other place? Or was it earlier in this thread?

Well thats just outright false. There are solar companies that are profitable without government help.

[Laviticas]

Do you ask for a "how medicine works" manual when you go to the doctor? Come on man. What conspiracy or scam could there possibly be? Yeah, a conspiracy to save ourselves a lot of heartache and destruction. Thats going to save us money in the long run.

If you can't see the scam, that is a you problem. You have assholes like Al "man-bear-pig" Gore, preaching global doom while he flies around in his private jet to and from his Ivory castles. Telling us peasants to watch our carbon footprint. Well fuck me, everything organic is carbon base, everything is now taxable. Follow the money heathens. Lol

[Jarvan]

Meatless Mondays... it's a thing, and it would help quite a bit. And is it really that big of a deal to not eat meat one fucking day a week?

This from the party of "Pro Choice". Go figure.. a Dem telling us what we have to do.

[Jarvan]

Well thats just outright false. There are solar companies that are profitable without government help.

Name 1 Solar Company that DOESN'T get subsidies from the Government and is profitable.

It's your claim, back it up.

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Name 1 Solar Company that DOESN'T get subsidies from the Government and is profitable.

It's your claim, back it up.

First Solar.

But thats not really the point. Ninjas has an issue with a list of companies getting assistance from the government. I'd still like to know what his issue is exactly. Is it because they are getting money from the government? Because if that is what upsets him then he should be really super upset about a lot more companies than that tiny list. What about banks and Wall street getting bailed out and corporate off shore tax havens and farmer subsidies and corporate welfare and the list goes on.

If the department of energy invests money into a field that will be good for us in the long run in terms of getting us off of our dependency on oil then I have a much less harder time being upset about it than when Paul Ryan votes to keep giving big oil companies $40 billion tax breaks.

[Jarvan]

First Solar.

But thats not really the point. Ninjas has an issue with a list of companies getting assistance from the government. I'd still like to know what his issue is exactly. Is it because they are getting money from the government? Because if that is what upsets him then he should be really super upset about a lot more companies than that tiny list. What about banks and Wall street getting bailed out and corporate off shore tax havens and farmer subsidies and corporate welfare and the list goes on.

If the department of energy invests money into a field that will be good for us in the long run in terms of getting us off of our dependency on oil then I have a much less harder time being upset about it than when Paul Ryan votes to keep giving big oil companies $40 billion tax breaks.

May want to rethink that answer Back.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...0%A6to-itself/

May be the Blaze.. but the info is solid. (On a side note, the company lost money in 2012, so not sure how you consider it profitable)

So.. no to First Solar, try again.

I am all for Research grants.

These are not research grants that companies are getting. They are free money that the company supposedly uses to build things... then the company goes bankrupt (about half the time). If we gave a 50 Billion grant and a company came up with a product that had a cost effectiveness ratio compared to fossil fuels of 1:1.10 or higher (fossil fuel being to the left of course) that would be one thing. I doubt Americans would be horribly upset if they had to pay 10% more for nearly 100% clean renewable energy. The fact of the matter is tho, that it isn't. (while panels may sell as low as .70 per watt in large scale, total cost to build a system greater then 100 Watts is 4.87 per watt.. compared to 2.10 per watt for coal)

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May want to rethink that answer Back.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...0%A6to-itself/

May be the Blaze.. but the info is solid. (On a side note, the company lost money in 2012, so not sure how you consider it profitable)

So.. no to First Solar, try again.

I am all for Research grants.

These are not research grants that companies are getting. They are free money that the company supposedly uses to build things... then the company goes bankrupt (about half the time). If we gave a 50 Billion grant and a company came up with a product that had a cost effectiveness ratio compared to fossil fuels of 1:1.10 or higher (fossil fuel being to the left of course) that would be one thing. I doubt Americans would be horribly upset if they had to pay 10% more for nearly 100% clean renewable energy. The fact of the matter is tho, that it isn't. (while panels may sell as low as .70 per watt in large scale, total cost to build a system greater then 100 Watts is 4.87 per watt.. compared to 2.10 per watt for coal)

I'm not going to condone the actions of a company regardless of what that company produces if that company engages in shady business. If you are going to post a list of companies getting money from the government you are going to have to add more than solar companies that get research grants and loans like oil companies and the research grants and loans they get.

As for the research grants from what I've read we are talking $60 million, not billions, and we are also talking about loans, not FREE money.

[waywardgs]

This from the party of "Pro Choice". Go figure.. a Dem telling us what we have to do.

"What can we do??? What can we do???"
"Here's something we can do."
"DONT YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!11"

[cwolff]

You guys are asking Solar to compete with mature industries. I mentioned earlier that we went to the moon and there's no reason for it. We threw cash at it just to do it. We can afford to throw cash at renewables. Hell we subsidize the fossil fuel industry and it's not some fledgling startup that needs the help.

Other countries are doing a lot with solar. Look up Germany's numbers sometime. It's staggering how much power they are generating from solar panels. If we want to make this work for the U.S. we will. If we don't we'll sit around and say "Well Solyndra went bankrupt so it's just not possible"

[waywardgs]

No, it's "See, solyndra was corrupt so the sun must be corrupt."