More Obamacare fuckups

[cwolff]

I think you're not making sense for the sake of defending Obamacare at all costs.

Let's look at the merits of your arguments one at a time.

Getting poor people covered. -- This is a good thing.
Increasing healthcare costs for poor people (which you have admitted will most likely happen.) -- This is a bad thing.

They canceled each other out. Case closed. Obamacare sucks. Let's move on.

If that makes you feel better then by all means, move on. Of course it's wrong but that's par for the course around here. I said that costs for insurance through the exchanges could go up. We don't know. The actuaries are working that out now that enrollment has ended.

The exchanges aren't for poor people or rich people or middle class people; they're just for people. Some people, the poor, can get insured through medicaid and won't be on the exchange.

[Jarvan]

Good video. Thanks for posting that. I really liked her quote of Obama "change is hard". That sums up the heartburn you all are feeling about this. It's a big change and conservatives struggle with that. Oveall, that's probably good for the yin/yang of things.

I wonder if you would feel the same way about it if the "change" was social reforms. Fixing medicare and SS.

No.. then you would likely say it's evil, racist, -insert other typical dem rhetoric-.

Maybe we should do some hard change and fix those problems, THEN work on the problem of healthcare... nope.. make a NEW entitlement instead.

Brilliant.

[Tgo01]

I said that costs for insurance through the exchanges could go up.

Okay let's assume they do. That means Obamacare is a failure, right? Glad we're on the same page now

The exchanges aren't for poor people or rich people or middle class people; they're just for people. Some people, the poor, can get insured through medicaid and won't be on the exchange.

You're the one who brought up financial status here. Don't be all offended now.

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

Maybe MediCal covers children, regardless of income? I'd point to more website failures, but if a broker confirmed, I'm as stumped as you are.

Sounds like a blessing to me, free childrens' health insurance? I say take it and never look back! Probably just saved you a couple hundred in premiums! Just save those communications in case the state comes back or something to cover your ass.

Mostly, i was just pissed because her pediatrician was the shit and doesn't accept MediCal so I had to find a new one.

[cwolff]

Okay let's assume they do. That means Obamacare is a failure, right? Glad we're on the same page now



You're the one who brought up financial status here. Don't be all offended now.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[cwolff]

Mostly, i was just pissed because her pediatrician was the shit and doesn't accept MediCal so I had to find a new one.

Sharp is employer based insurance right? Why can't your daughter be on your plan?

[Tgo01]

What the fuck are you talking about?

Exactly.

[zzentar]

If that makes you feel better then by all means, move on. Of course it's wrong but that's par for the course around here. I said that costs for insurance through the exchanges could go up. We don't know. The actuaries are working that out now that enrollment has ended.

The exchanges aren't for poor people or rich people or middle class people; they're just for people. Some people, the poor, can get insured through medicaid and won't be on the exchange.

In my opinion, you are completely wrong. This doesn't affect the rich at all, they can pay for the healthcare they want. This specifically affects the middle and poor. The poor can get subsidized health insurance and the middle class gets to pay for it.

~Zz

[NinjasLeadTheWay]

Sharp is employer based insurance right? Why can't your daughter be on your plan?

It's not employer based insurance. It's the plan I chose through the ACA/CoveredCA that was comparable enough in co-pays and service to what was previously an employer health plan (That jumped from 487 to 1011 a month concurrently with the ACA becoming law). Except for the $1500 Deductible it's now $7500. So I got a $166 a month healthcare plan now through the ACA for Sharp that doesn't allow for my lazy, unemployed 4 month old daughter to be covered by it. Oh and almost all of the co-pays are double what they were with my previous employer based plan that covered everyone before. And my employer was offsetting the previous $487 a month by $300, so the family plan which included dental and vision was $187 a month before the ACA. Now there is no $300 a month to help me and through work it is $1011 for the plan I had before so I was forced in Covered CA which is cheaper monthly by $21 but it's only able to cover me because I am the only one in the household with an income. The 4 month old is still on MediCal and there is no way around it. I know, I checked and used my broker to help me. This is the new normal.

[Tgo01]

Tell your daughter to get a job!