More Obamacare fuckups

[Warriorbird]

It's almost like you're trying to think of the stupidest argument possible so I can't possibly have anyway to refute it because it's just so stupid.

It's disengenuous to oppose something with lines that your party would have never supported. You're blaming Obama for not passing stuff that would have been even more difficult to pass. If you don't get that, there's no helping you.

[Tgo01]

It's disengenuous to oppose something with lines that your party would have never supported.

This is stupid. So my party generally opposes gay marriage so I can't be in favor of gay marriage? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Someone quote that Adam Sandler movie!

You're blaming Obama for not passing stuff that would have been even more difficult to pass. If you don't get that, there's no helping you.

This makes zero sense. Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare. Not a single one. No, not even that one. How would it have been more difficult to pass Obamacare because of "my party" when "my party" didn't even vote for the current version of Obamacare?

Before we go any further you really have to explain this line of reasoning.

[Warriorbird]

This is stupid. So my party generally opposes gay marriage so I can't be in favor of gay marriage? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Someone quote that Adam Sandler movie!



This makes zero sense. Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare. Not a single one. No, not even that one. How would it have been more difficult to pass Obamacare because of "my party" when "my party" didn't even vote for the current version of Obamacare?

Before we go any further you really have to explain this line of reasoning.

When you whine about how the other party should be better about gay marriage while you're a member of a party that opposes it, you're not funny, you're an asshole.

While your party screwed the collective pooch about actually doing anything (and they haven't done anything but oppose things for years) Obama made alliances with all those evil companies you hate (LOL) to actually achieve Obamacare. These are the people he made the bill like it was for, because he had this theory that Republicans might like a Republican bill but they would've hated anything he did even if they wrote it (witness the Rubio immigration bill), so he had to make new partnerships.

[Tgo01]

When you whine about how the other party should be better about gay marriage while you're a member of a party that opposes it, you're not funny, you're an asshole.

Again you're making zero sense. Please start making at least 1% sense.

While your party screwed the collective pooch about actually doing anything (and they haven't done anything but oppose things for years) Obama made alliances with all those evil companies you hate (LOL) to actually achieve Obamacare. These are the people he made the bill like it was for, because he had this theory that Republicans might like a Republican bill but they would've hated anything he did even if they wrote it (witness the Rubio immigration bill), so he had to make new partnerships.

That's a lot of words but it didn't answer my question.

[Warriorbird]

Again you're making zero sense. Please start making at least 1% sense.

Let's break it down. Your party opposes a thing. You don't. You then whine about how the party that you're not a member of should be "better about supporting a thing."

You don't get the disconnect?

[Atlanteax]

I understand Republican policy positions. I'm such a "nonsense inventor".

You have *repeatedly demonstrated* that you absolutely do *not* understand 'Republican policy positions'.

By your example, 'Democrat policy position' would be to for the U.S. government to be the sole provider of food, healthcare, housing, etc ... and bankrupt the U.S. in the process.

[Latrinsorm]

Exactly, I paid for the service when I needed it. If I would have been paying the 200 dollars a month for those ten years I would have spent 24000 dollars for the one 188 dollar doctor visit. I saved myself 23,812 dollars over those ten years by not having insurance.

The same reasoning applies to car insurance, and it is just as incorrect there. You cannot foresee a car accident by ten years, or a tumor, or schizophrenia.

You have McDonald worker X. Worker X only makes 1200$ a month. We give X food stamps, cash assistance, rental assistance, free healthcare. X feels no need to work towards a better future when they are able to get assistance for taking the easy road. X meets Y and has Z. X and Y teach Z that you get free stuff for doing little to no work. Z grows up knowing this and does what X and Y did.

This is a coherent theory, but one that does not turn out to match empirical data. Consider the report detailed in this article, for instance.

And if I could ask you this: what was your first instinct when presented with this?
1. Look up the data you used to come to this belief in the first place.
2. Look up data that supports your belief.
3. Dismiss the data presented, or dismiss the concept of data in general.

I suspect it was (3), and I think you do yourself a disservice by taking that route. Obviously you can't take (1) because you didn't use any data in the first place, but you could at least try door (2).

For the people that can't work, that's what family is for. Worked that way for thousands of years but now it can't?

It worked insofar as the human race did not become extinct, but it didn't work well enough insofar as common decency was concerned, which is why people invented welfare programs in the first place.

You do realize that the reason there is a "welfare baby" meme, is because there ARE welfare babies, right?

There used to be a meme that black people had tails. People believing something does not make it true.

This is stupid. So my party generally opposes gay marriage so I can't be in favor of gay marriage? This is quite possibly the stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life. Someone quote that Adam Sandler movie!

Gatoraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaade.

[Tgo01]

Let's break it down. Your party opposes a thing. You don't. You then whine about how the party that you're not a member of should be "better about supporting a thing."

You don't get the disconnect?

My point has been from the very beginning that Obamacare is going to make things worse. So yes when the best "the other party" can muster is to make things worse then you damn right better believe I'm going to bitch about it.

I'm just waiting for Back to pop in now and say I should have voted for Romney.

[Warriorbird]

You have *repeatedly demonstrated* that you absolutely do *not* understand 'Republican policy positions'.

By your example, 'Democrat policy position' would be to for the U.S. government to be the sole provider of food, healthcare, housing, etc ... and bankrupt the U.S. in the process.

That's certainly the sort of shit you claim regularly. The Republican Party opposes "entitlements." It believes in the Horatio Alger "bootstraps" myth and things like "trickle down economics" and the philosophies of Ayn Rand. This isn't invention, this is your political philosophy.

My point has been from the very beginning that Obamacare is going to make things worse. So yes when the best "the other party" can muster is to make things worse then you damn right better believe I'm going to bitch about it.

My point is it's disengenuous to complain about the solution when you stand with Team No Solutions Ever.

[Tgo01]

My point is it's disengenuous to complain about the solution when you stand with Team No Solutions Ever.

And your point is stupid. You have demonstrated it quite perfectly.