More Obamacare fuckups

[Thondalar]

How is it that we have a Republican organization that wrote this plan yet people only freaked out on it when Obama pushed it?

I hate how you keep bringing this up like it means something. The Heritage Foundation wrote a plan for an individual mandate as opposed to a single-payer scenario. They did not write this almost thousand-page monstrosity.

[Buckwheet]

I also reject our credit system. I'd pay cash. Would that be acceptible?

Not unless you can prove you have that cash on hand at the time of service. Because without verification that you can actually pay for the services provided you shouldn't be serviced.

[Wrathbringer]

Now you're just being stubborn. There is no risk vs. asset calculation because you're not consulting all the people who are exposed to risk by the uninsured.

Actually, there is. Regardless, it's my choice. Period. It'll be interesting to see how long it takes the feds to come after me for not signing up. How will they know who does and doesn't have coverage already?

[Wrathbringer]

Not unless you can prove you have that cash on hand at the time of service. Because without verification that you can actually pay for the services provided you shouldn't be serviced.

I'm okay with that. Now opt me out of this mess just like Congress did.

[Thondalar]

Why would you go on the exchange? It sounds like you are covered by work.

Hopefully i'll get lucky like Buck and save 12 grand a year on my premiums. Even though I don't even pay that much.

[Tgo01]

I also reject our credit system. I'd pay cash. Would that be acceptible?

When I was uninsured (but paying my bills) I found a doctor that gave me a discount if I paid cash. Guess those kinds of doctor/patient deals are gone now. Thanks, Obama!

You already stated that hospitals made profits and insurance companies made profits, so who upheld the brunt of it? Policy owners like me.

Insurance companies weren't feeling the pain of the uninsured because they weren't paying for the uninsured, hospitals were. You could argue that since the uninsured cost the hospitals money they in turn had to increase their prices but insurance companies were already negotiating huge discounts with hospitals.

I have no proof to back up my arguments (I wonder if such proof even exists) but I'd be willing to bet obese people and smokers account for a larger portion of why healthcare costs are so high than the uninsured.

[Buckwheet]

I'm okay with that. Now opt me out of this mess just like Congress did.

I am actually okay with it also. Because I think if you want to go it alone, totally alone, then you should be allowed to. Its like smoking to me. If you smoke in your own home and get cancer from it and die, you had zero impact on me as long as you used zero public services. If you smoked in your own home and got cancer from it, started coughing up blood and go to the ER without insurance and no proof you can pay for the first round of tests or medical services, they should kindly move your ass to sidewalk and let you die.\

When I was uninsured (but paying my bills) I found a doctor that gave me a discount if I paid cash. Guess those kinds of doctor/patient deals are gone now. Thanks, Obama!

That is not true depending on the doctor you find. They don't like the paperwork and re-reimbursement schedule on a number of services, especially if you are medicare/aid? My brother in law is a chiropractor and he still loves cash payments. I would be interested to see your proof otherwise. There are places like Target, Walmart, and other drug stores with significantly lower pricing on tests and basic medical care because either you show your insurance card and cash before services or you don't get served. They are not required to provide free services like hospitals are.

Insurance companies weren't feeling the pain of the uninsured because they weren't paying for the uninsured, hospitals were. You could argue that since the uninsured cost the hospitals money they in turn had to increase their prices but insurance companies were already negotiating huge discounts with hospitals.

I have no proof to back up my arguments (I wonder if such proof even exists) but I'd be willing to bet obese people and smokers account for a larger portion of why healthcare costs are so high than the uninsured.

That was exactly my argument.

[Tgo01]

Looks like I was wrong, according to this site obesity accounts for 21% of healthcare costs in the US.

[Thondalar]

I have no proof to back up my arguments (I wonder if such proof even exists) but I'd be willing to bet obese people and smokers account for a larger portion of why healthcare costs are so high than the uninsured.

And now we can get a bunch of young, healthy people to bear the burden for all the obese smokers. Thanks, Obama!

[cwolff]

I am actually okay with it also. Because I think if you want to go it alone, totally alone, then you should be allowed to. Its like smoking to me. If you smoke in your own home and get cancer from it and die, you had zero impact on me as long as you used zero public services. If you smoked in your own home and got cancer from it, started coughing up blood and go to the ER without insurance and no proof you can pay for the first round of tests or medical services, they should kindly move your ass to sidewalk and let you die.

I'm ok with self insuring. You'll just have to have as much cash set aside as the max coverage on a basic policy. What's that limit now? 750k?