More Obamacare fuckups

[Keller]

I don't think "because of political pressure drummed up by the GOP" means what you think it means. It's placing blame squarely on one party.

There is only one place to blame the issues that the IRS is having.. it's with the IRS.

What is the point you are trying to make?

I was under the impression we were talking about delaying the employer mandate. You thought it was a political maneuver, I informed you it was because the government wasn't prepared to roll out the mandate.

Are we on the same page now?

[Parkbandit]

It has a lot to do with the elections. If the employer mandate were implemented without regulatory guidance or forms, it would be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

I don't mind you staying after class for extra questions, but if you'd pay attention during the lecture you'd have know that.

Could you quote the post in this thread where you stated that this has a lot to do with the elections? I mean heck, maybe the forums are bugging out and your post was inadvertently deleted. You might want to contact Kranar and let him know the issue.

If you want to lecture, make sure you know your own material next time.

[Parkbandit]

What is the point you are trying to make?

I was under the impression we were talking about delaying the employer mandate. You thought it was a political maneuver, I informed you it was because the government wasn't prepared to roll out the mandate.

Are we on the same page now?

So, you went from its because the GOP created the IRS crisis and the hard working people left the IRS, to it has a lot to do with the elections.. to back because the government isn't ready yet?

Fantastic.

[Tgo01]

Who is upset by this again?

Not Democrats.

[liloldman]

If the employer mandate were implemented without regulatory guidance or forms, it would be a clusterfuck of epic proportions.

I don't mind you staying after class for extra questions, but if you'd pay attention during the lecture you'd have know that.

Are you saying it is not going to be a government run cluster fuck anyway?

[Latrinsorm]

All I know is that someday America is going to have another recession and no matter how long it takes or what events intervene, it will be 100% the fault of President Obama and Obamacare.

[Methais]

I blame the government. It's all-encompassing.

But Obama said that government is the solution to our problems.

I'M SO CONFUSED NOW!

[Methais]

What is the point you are trying to make?

I was under the impression we were talking about delaying the employer mandate. You thought it was a political maneuver, I informed you it was because the government wasn't prepared to roll out the mandate.

Are we on the same page now?

I think it's more of they're realizing what a disaster this bill is, and they know that people are going to shit all over it no matter how "prepared" the government is. They figure if they can keep the low info crowd in the dark long enough to hopefully win the house in 2014, then they can tell everyone to eat shit after because by then it will be too late for people to do anything about it and won't matter.

All I know is that someday America is going to have another recession and no matter how long it takes or what events intervene, it will be 100% the fault of President Obama and Obamacare.

It'll still be Bush's fault, don't be silly.

[Jarvan]

Two things.

I never said the political pressure wasn't warranted. I think a full investigation is required. I think we need as much information as we can get about what occurred.

I never said people in the service centers weren't improperly targeting political groups applying for tax-exempt status. I'll make that determination once I know the information that is being gathered.

What I did say is that the political pressure put on the IRS has caused many talented people to leave, which has caused the massive regulatory push within the IRS to stall, which has caused a delay in the employer mandate because companies don't know how they are supposed to comply with the mandate because the regulations and forms are not out. It's sort of like asking people to file their individual income taxes without Form 1040 and the accompanying instructions. It would be a disaster.

Now, PB, you can continue your schtick of beating your chest and acting like you know the first thing about what you're talking about. Or, and I hope you do this for the sake of not looking more foolish, you can realize you're wrong and go grab a beer and enjoy the holiday weekend.

Your call man.

It's funny, ONLY the US Gov could have 4 years to write up codes and regulations, and implement a system.. and fail to meet the deadline.

It's like the bridge they are rebuilding where I live. it took the state 3 years to tear down and rebuild a 1000 foot bridge. During that same time, not 20 miles away, a private company tore down and rebuilt a bridge of similar size in about 5 months. They needed it done, because the bridge was the only way to get to their quarry and work area. They paid for it themselves.

Private company - On time and on Budget
Government - 3 years overdue and 5x the budget.

So really.. is it any surprise that the Government still doesn't know what the fuck they are doing with a law as complex as the one they created?

What is the point you are trying to make?

I was under the impression we were talking about delaying the employer mandate. You thought it was a political maneuver, I informed you it was because the government wasn't prepared to roll out the mandate.

Are we on the same page now?

The fact that they are delaying until AFTER the elections is a political maneuver. Hell, they still have 5 months to implement it.. I am sure they could do it if they wanted.

[Tgo01]

It's funny, ONLY the US Gov could have 4 years to write up codes and regulations, and implement a system.. and fail to meet the deadline.

Come on man, pay attention. The political pressure from the past 2 months put them at least 1 year behind.