Tyranny of the ATF

[Parkbandit]

Good news Seran.. just when I thought there is no way you could get dumber... you managed it!

Behold the newest addition to the Retard Hall of Fame!

RIP - Tsa'ah and his claim that Camp Lejeune used to be named Fort Lejeune and he has his birth certificate as evidence. That was an epic moment on the PC.. but we need to respect the depths of retardation that Seran brings to the table.

[Suppressed Poet]

I honestly don’t see the big issue? So you possibly need register as a seller, to fill out some documents and check the person you’re selling to, what’s the big issue? How is this infringing on your second amendment?

It’s a small inconvenience, to make sure you’re not selling your gun to someone who shouldn’t have one.

How about this…to prevent the possible spread of misinformation and hate speech, before you post anything online you must register with the federal government. It’s your responsibility to pay the speech registration tax. Also by registering you are inviting the feds to come into your home for an inspection anytime they feel like it. If it prevents just one of Seran’s retarded post it’s totally worth it. Am I right?

[Solkern]

How about this…to prevent the possible spread of misinformation and hate speech, before you post anything online you must register with the federal government. It’s your responsibility to pay the speech registration tax. Also by registering you are inviting the feds to come into your home for an inspection anytime they feel like it. If it prevents just one of Seran’s retarded post it’s totally worth it. Am I right?

That would infringe on my first amendment right, while this doesn’t infringe on the second amendment.

[Suppressed Poet]

That would infringe on my first amendment right, while this doesn’t infringe on the second amendment.

Please elaborate as to why you think this is not an infringement on the second amendment.

Is it perhaps instead because you think this infringement on the second amendment does directly effect you?

[Solkern]

Please elaborate as to why you think this is not an infringement on the second amendment.

Is it perhaps instead because you think this infringement on the second amendment does directly effect you?

How does me checking the person I’m selling to, stop me from my right to own a gun, or how does me checking someone stop their right to legally own a gun? The second amendment says nothing about selling. I own a few guns, and I have no issue doing these things to sell my guns, to make sure the person I sell to has the right to purchase it.

Some people don’t have the right to own a gun, and it’s our job as citizens to do what we can to keep guns out of hands of people who shouldn’t own them, wouldn’t you agree? Instead of waiting for them to shoot up a school, and then someone being hailed a hero because they legally owned a gun, and stopped him/her. This is like being the hero that doesn’t wear a cape.

[Suppressed Poet]

How does me checking the person I’m selling to, stop me from my right to own a gun? The second amendment says nothing about selling. I own a few guns, and I have no issue doing these things to sell my gun, to make sure the person I sell to has the right to purchase it.

I don’t think you understand what registering and being a FFL entails. There is nothing simple about it. First you go through a lengthy paperwork and BS process (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/apply-license). There are application and annual renewal fees. The ATF commonly performs inspections without announcement. It’s your responsibility that the person you are selling to folks out the 4473 completely & without errors. You are required to hold those forms for a period of 20 years.

Restricting people’s ability to sell their own personal property of firearms does indeed infringe upon people’s ability to keep & bear arms. You’re smart and can understand that.

If you were required to any of these things for any other constitutionally protected right, I suspect you would lose your shit. Because it is guns and you feel that it does not effect YOU directly, you are perfectly ok with the infringement.

[Solkern]

I don’t think you understand what registering and being a FFL entails. There is nothing simple about it. First you go through a lengthy paperwork and BS process (https://www.atf.gov/firearms/apply-license). There are application and annual renewal fees. The ATF commonly performs inspections without announcement. It’s your responsibility that the person you are selling to folks out the 4473 completely & without errors. You are required to hold those forms for a period of 20 years.

If you were required to any of these things for any other constitutionally protected right, I suspect you would lose your shit. Because it is guns and you feel that it does not effect YOU directly, you are perfectly ok with the infringement.

But here’s the thing, it doesn’t infringe anyone at all, it makes the process longer, but it doesn’t stop you from owning a gun, does it?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How does this law infringe or stop you from your legal right to own a gun? While I agree the process is painful and stupid, but it in no way stops you from owning a gun.

The only thing that stops you, is yourself not wanting to fill out these forms to buy from private citizens, when you can just go to a gun shop and buy it that way.

[Suppressed Poet]

The real insanity of all this, do you think criminals buying or selling firearms are going to suddenly cease doing so? “Well there is a new ATF rule so I better register as a FFL to sell my stolen Glock with a full auto switch.” This is about control and registration of legal gun owners. Don’t kid yourself this is for the greater good of preventing crime or mass shootings.

[Solkern]

The real insanity of all this, do you think criminals buying or selling firearms are going to suddenly cease doing so? “Well there is a new ATF rule so I better register as a FFL to sell my stolen Glock with a full auto switch.” This is about control and registration of legal gun owners. Don’t kid yourself this is for the greater good of preventing crime or mass shootings.

Probably not, you’re right, but it might stop a person with a mental problem, or someone with a felony that couldn’t buy it from a store because they failed the checks, from buying from a private citizen, that doesn’t require it.

[Suppressed Poet]

But here’s the thing, it doesn’t infringe anyone at all, it makes the process longer, but it doesn’t stop you from owning a gun, does it?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How does this law infringe or stop you from your legal right to own a gun? While I agree the process is painful and stupid, but it in no way stops you from owning a gun.

The only thing that stops you, is yourself not wanting to fill out these forms to buy from private citizens, when you can just go to a gun shop and buy it that way.

If I require you to register and pay a tax to exercise free speech, assembly, religion, press, etc. is that ok? It’s just making the process longer, harder, and more costly. Nobody is saying you can’t speak freely. The only thing stopping you from doing all that is you.