Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

[Seran]

Texas went from banning abortions after 20 weeks to now 6 weeks. There are medical exemptions past 6 weeks and determining if those are met are largely left to the discretion of the doctor. How have these abortion law changes caused an increase in infant mortality & birth defects? Statistical correlation is not causation. What would you propose needs to be change in Texas state abortion laws that would decrease the birth mortality rate?

Statistical correlation is not causation. Lol. You mean, statistical correlation does not necessarily affirm causation. Your misuse of the statement implies that statistical based studies have no usage, when in fact they're quite valuable in research.

[Suppressed Poet]

Statistical correlation is not causation. Lol. You mean, statistical correlation does not necessarily affirm causation. Your misuse of the statement implies that statistical based studies have no usage, when in fact they're quite valuable in research.

That is not what I was trying to imply at all. You are playing word salad games. I’m asking what specifically about the change in abortion law do you propose caused an increase in infant mortality rates at birth, especially since there are defined medical exemptions past the 6 week point of time.

[Parkbandit]

https://us.yahoo.com/news/nearly-two...090044094.html

Texas’ abortion restrictions – some of the strictest in the country – may be fueling a sudden spike in infant mortality as women are forced to carry nonviable pregnancies to term.

Some 2,200 infants died in Texas in 2022 – an increase of 227 deaths, or 11.5%, over the previous year, according to preliminary infant mortality data CNN obtained through a public records request. Infant deaths caused by severe genetic and birth defects rose by 21.6%. That spike reversed a nearly decade-long decline. Between 2014 and 2021, infant deaths had fallen by nearly 15%.

So, you believe these 2200 infants that died in 1 year.. is a smaller or larger number than the 50,000 estimated abortions that took place in Texas in 2021?

[Solkern]

Texas went from banning abortions after 20 weeks to now 6 weeks. There are medical exemptions past 6 weeks and determining if those are met are largely left to the discretion of the doctor. How have these abortion law changes caused an increase in infant mortality & birth defects? Statistical correlation is not causation. What would you propose needs to be change in Texas state abortion laws that would decrease the birth mortality rate?

Did you read the article?

The fetus had anencephaly, a rare birth defect that keeps the brain and skull from developing during pregnancy. Babies with this condition are often stillborn, though they sometimes live a few hours or days. Many women around the country who face the prospect choose abortion, two obstetrician-gynecologists told CNN.

Texas denied her an abortion, even with this condition, and many others were denied with other conditions.

[Solkern]

So, you believe these 2200 infants that died in 1 year.. is a smaller or larger number than the 50,000 estimated abortions that took place in Texas in 2021?

What’s a bigger psychological issue or traumatizing situation for the mother and a family, getting an abortion of a baby that is going to die in a few days after birth or carrying that baby to term and giving birth to a dead baby, or a baby that’s going to die in a few hours/days?

This article is about carrying nonviable pregnancies to term. Not about the amount of abortions vs babies born dead.

[Solkern]

Texas went from banning abortions after 20 weeks to now 6 weeks. There are medical exemptions past 6 weeks and determining if those are met are largely left to the discretion of the doctor. How have these abortion law changes caused an increase in infant mortality & birth defects? Statistical correlation is not causation. What would you propose needs to be change in Texas state abortion laws that would decrease the birth mortality rate?

I appreciate that you focus on what the article ACTUALLY talks about and not this other shit about number of abortions vs babies born dead arguments

[Suppressed Poet]

Did you read the article?

The fetus had anencephaly, a rare birth defect that keeps the brain and skull from developing during pregnancy. Babies with this condition are often stillborn, though they sometimes live a few hours or days. Many women around the country who face the prospect choose abortion, two obstetrician-gynecologists told CNN.

Texas denied her an abortion, even with this condition, and many others were denied with other conditions.

I did indeed read the article.

Did you read the part about the doctor denying the procedure, and the State attorney’s argument that they have never once prosecuted any doctor for making the determination of a medical emergency exemption? Seems to me like the wrong party is being sued here.

[Solkern]

I did indeed read the article.

Did you read the part about the doctor denying the procedure, and the State attorney’s argument that they have never once prosecuted any doctor for making the determination of a medical emergency exemption? Seems to me like the wrong party is being sued here.

The doctors are being sued, even the state blames them. Lawyers representing the state argued Wednesday that the plaintiffs’ doctors were to blame, saying they misinterpreted the law and failed to provide adequate care for such high-risk pregnancies.

[Suppressed Poet]

I appreciate that you focus on what the article ACTUALLY talks about and not this other shit about number of abortions vs babies born dead arguments

People have wildly different opinions about the morality of abortions. I don’t think anyone on the PC would argue in favor of a mother being forced to deliver a dead (or imminently soon to die) baby. I don’t buy or see the causation changing a ban from after 20 weeks to after 6 weeks & retaining an emergency medical exemption = higher infant mortality rates.

[Suppressed Poet]

The doctors are being sued, even the state blames them. Lawyers representing the state argued Wednesday that the plaintiffs’ doctors were to blame, saying they misinterpreted the law and failed to provide adequate care for such high-risk pregnancies.

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. The State of Texas didn’t deny this woman an abortion. The doctor should have made an emergency medical exemption. What this woman had to endure was awful, but blaming it on Texas abortion laws doesn’t make sense to me.