More Obamacare fuckups

[Warriorbird]

So your argument is anything is better than the status quo?

That's an odd way of thinking.

A lot of people complain about it but I always admired that Mitt Romney had achieved something for healthcare in his state.

[Johnny Five]

This is what insurance is for.

But if I and family *choose* to forgo insurance and instead stockpile what otherwise would had been paid premiums/expenses into a savings account, we probably would had been able to pay for it.

However, had we chosen to forgo insurance, and frivolously spent that money on additional luxuries/vacations/etc, then it is time to pay the piper, so to speak.

Bingo, but I think it should be mandatory that you put insurance on your kids, it's cheap and they are always sick and hurting themselves. I could agree with that.

[Atlanteax]

In the meantime, think about it. If all the healthcare $$$ that is otherwise being spent on individuals having to spend a significant majority of their time in hospitals for treatments/procedures/etc, because of chronic ill-health (due to being significantly overweight, lack of exercise, rampant drug usage, or due to questionable physical activities like playing with fireworks), was instead spent on providing more thorough preventative care for the rest of the population ... I dare say that society overall would be experiencing better-quality health-care.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This is what insurance is for.

But if I and family *choose* to forgo insurance and instead stockpile what otherwise would had been paid premiums/expenses into a savings account, we probably would had been able to pay for it.

However, had we chosen to forgo insurance, and frivolously spent that money on additional luxuries/vacations/etc, then it is time to pay the piper, so to speak.

Bingo, but I think it should be mandatory that you put insurance on your kids, it's cheap and they are always sick and hurting themselves. I could agree with that.

And if you cannot afford insurance? What then?

[Johnny Five]

And if you cannot afford insurance? What then?

Get a better fucking job.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Get a better fucking job.

Not everyone has the skills or abilities to do so. Sometimes cashier at McDonalds is your apex position, and frankly there is nothing wrong with that.

[Warriorbird]

Get a better fucking job.

It isn't just a magic finger snap away for everyone.

[Johnny Five]

There are tons of jobs that require little to no training at start that easily make 15$+ an hour. But if they are so keen to work as a cashier at McDonalds for the rest of their adult life that is their problem. Pretty sure McDonalds also hires from within for positions that pay more and you can "Climb the ladder". So stop trying to mommy everyone.

[Tgo01]

A lot of people complain about it but I always admired that Mitt Romney had achieved something for healthcare in his state.

I happen to think Obamacare is worse than the status quo.

So if your only counter argument is "But it isn't the status quo!" well then...I don't know. Hi?

[Atlanteax]

Get a better fucking job.

Not everyone has the skills or abilities to do so. Sometimes cashier at McDonalds is your apex position, and frankly there is nothing wrong with that.

And if they cannot afford health care premium for *basic health care*, then the issue is the health industry being forced to spend too disproportionate amount on expensive treatments ... such as hospitals being mandated to go all-out to save gang-bangers who shot each other up, and as a consequence passing that cost onto everything else, which then subsequently results in preventative care / etc being quantified as "too expensive to afford".

... and/or the expectations of entitled-to healthcare is overly excessive (ie anyone gets a lung transplant, even heavy smokers).