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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I think what a lot of people don't realize is we are 100% using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a test bed for new tactics and technologies against a "near peer". Honestly, they aren't as close as many people, myself included, thought they were, but that is irrelevant.

    The amount we are giving them is probably paying for itself 100 fold vs how difficult it would be to otherwise get realworld results to analyze.
    I don’t think you are wrong, but it’s reminiscent of the Spanish Civil War aka the prelude to WWII. I’d prefer we alter course before history repeats itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I think what a lot of people don't realize is we are 100% using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a test bed for new tactics and technologies against a "near peer".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I think what a lot of people don't realize is we are 100% using the Russian invasion of Ukraine as a test bed for new tactics and technologies against a "near peer". Honestly, they aren't as close as many people, myself included, thought they were, but that is irrelevant.

    The amount we are giving them is probably paying for itself 100 fold vs how difficult it would be to otherwise get realworld results to analyze.
    My issue with this is that at the same time we are battle hardening them. Their troops have the most real combat experience now, their pilots the same thing, they've fully embraced the war manufacturing. They are beating our multi million dollar systems with $500 drones. Low tech is winning. Granted its good we learned this lesson now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gelston View Post
    I was completely wrong about Russia's capability and now that we have spent over 100 billion in taxpayer dollars, suffering inflation and nearing WW3 I'm going to pretend I know what I'm talking about.
    Was it our stellar record over the past 70 years of losing wars that had you convinced or just your inflated ego?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    Was it our stellar record over the past 70 years of losing wars that had you convinced or just your inflated ego?
    We now let politicians and politically correct fools manage the war... which results in the 70 years of losing wars.

    We're more than capable.. we just don't want to upset anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    Was it our stellar record over the past 70 years of losing wars that had you convinced or just your inflated ego?
    In all fairness we’re really good about winning battles, killing the enemy, and destroying the infrastructure & government of foreign countries. We just fall short at achieving (or even defining) our strategic objectives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    We now let politicians and politically correct fools manage the war... which results in the 70 years of losing wars.

    We're more than capable.. we just don't want to upset anyone.
    100%

    That's why you don't cheer for war because it looks cool in movies. If you're not willing to stomach watching bodies stack until they block out the sun, you don't go to war.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    In all fairness we’re really good about winning battles, killing the enemy, and destroying the infrastructure & government of foreign countries. We just fall short at achieving (or even defining) our publicly stated strategic objectives.
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    And the American people have the attention span of a gnat. It took decades to clear up Germany and Japan and we incinerated their people by the 100s of thousands and millions and bombed them flat. Korea was the first not really war we fought and the military learned but the politicians didn't. Vietnam was won militarily by every possible measure and we had done what we could socially, then we left and Joe Biden fucked up the plan to help them hold off the Chinese. He threw them to the dogs. Yes, the same incompetent Chinese cuckold that we have now. Then there was Afghanistan I, we won because the only objectives were to hurt the Soviets. We then didn't do shit about terrorism and so we ended up with a lot of it cause killing terrorists in cold blood is bad on TV. Then Iraq I which was done well, the occupation which was done like Korea by politicians at the UN so was fucked up, Iraq II, again military won, politicians sucked dick. Afghanistan II, boots won, politicians and the news media/public will fucked it all up so now you have women and kids as slaves, it would take a full generation or more to change much of anything in that part of the world short of glassing large sections of it. OH, BTW, how much money is made off of Opium/Heroine in the US that is grown in Afghanistan? Libya, Hillary Clinton's war to bring back black African slave markets and collapse the EU. Now, we have Ukraine, again, politicians laundering money wholesale and no clear goals though at this time, it isn't mostly our people fighting, yet.

    Welcome to the lead up to WWIII. All at the behest of China's ability to buy people, plan long term and be patient, the news media sucking Chinese/Communist dick and the American politicians, who even if they had the right policy for the right reasons, suck ass at communicating it well enough to excite people and keep them motivated.

    But Trump was going to get us into WWIII.

    The older I get, the more I advocate for an isolationist policy. American first, American only, fuck Europe, fix your own shit, time for you to pay the bill. Central and South America, fucking rot, here are your people back. The border and immigration are closed, completely, indefinitely, period. China, here are the tariffs, you can shut the fuck up or watch your economy collapse and the people hang your leaders in the streets since almost 50% of young males are unemployed already. Make a move and the nukes will fly. Russia, take a hike, lift a finger in our direction or against our people and watch your oil income burn. Africa, you can rot too, you are a shit hole because of your own actions and corruption, not because of colonialism. Like a spoiled brat child, you were raised poorly but you are an adult now, if things stay the same, it's on you. OH, and here is a tax on all expatriated US money no matter the source, target or reason, world wide. That should cover the tax revenue lost for a long time due to isolationism and should pay to build a lot of infrastructure.

    Painful, yes, effective, also yes and it would likely collapse the economies of our enemies in a few short years.

    Basically, the rest of the world can go un-fuck themselves. Or not.
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