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    Democrats have proposed more than $1 trillion of tax increases in a $3 trillion deficit-reduction plan that they dropped with a thud onto the negotiating table of Congress’s supercommittee.

    The plan proposed Tuesday by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.) and backed by a majority of Democrats on the panel was presented as a grand bargain that cuts entitlements, stimulates the economy and goes much further than the $1.2 trillion deficit cut required under the August debt-ceiling deal.

    More than 50 percent of the deficit reduction in the plan would come from tax increases, one source said.

    Republicans instantly rejected the offer. Aides dismissed the plan as unserious and said the inclusion of tax increases and stimulus spending shows it is merely a political ploy meant to paint the GOP as intransigent.

    Democratic aides said the GOP is once again walking away from a grand bargain that would put the U.S. on a solid fiscal ground, noting that Medicare cuts unpopular with the liberal base, reportedly totaling around $500 billion, were included in the deal.

    The grand bargain pushed by Democrats is similar to the one that President Obama put forth to House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) during the summer’s negotiations over raising the debt limit, though it is not identical, aides said.

    The leak of the Democratic proposal Wednesday morning lifted the veil of secrecy surrounding the supercommittee, which has been meeting for weeks behind closed doors to find a bipartisan agreement for cutting the deficit.

    The 12 lawmakers on the supercommittee have been tight-lipped about their activities, but the negotiations are becoming public as the Nov. 23 deadline for reaching a deal approaches.

    Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) are getting involved behind the scenes to help forge an agreement that can pass Congress and ward off the $1.2 trillion automatic spending cuts that will be triggered if the supercommittee dissolves in failure.

    But the inclusion of substantial tax increases in the Democratic proposal — a move that repeatedly derailed the debt-ceiling talks — indicates the two sides remain miles apart on how to address the nation’s red ink.

    Democrats are also not unified around some of the elements of the supercommittee proposal. Not all Democrats on the supercommittee have endorsed the plan that Baucus unveiled. It is unclear, however, which Democrats are opposed to the plan.

    Liberals in the House moved quickly to quash any notion that they will support a deal that cuts Medicare.

    “The very idea of reducing benefits … is unacceptable,” said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.), co-chairwoman of the Congressional Task Force on Seniors.

    The members of the panel returned to negotiations Wednesday afternoon. Democrats said they were waiting to see if their Republican colleagues would present an alternative path to a grand bargain that cuts as much from the deficit.

    Leaving that session, Baucus said he is confident the committee will meet its goals, and downplayed the reaction to the “suggestions” he made on Tuesday.

    “There was no kerfuffle!” Baucus said.

    Earlier Wednesday, at a tense public hearing on discretionary spending, the Democratic co-chairwoman of the supercommittee acknowledged it is running out of time.

    “We aren’t there yet, but I’m confident we are making progress,” said Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.). “And I’m hopeful we are moving quickly enough to meet our rapidly approaching deadline.”

    Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf reiterated at the hearing that his agency must have a deal to score by early November in order for the supercommittee to have legislative language ready by Nov. 23.

    “That leaves us looking at the beginning of November, which we are very well aware as you are is not very far away,” Elmendorf said.

    Murray emphasized that she is “willing” to compromise and said she knows “many of my colleagues are as well.” She said that the consequences of failure, which would trigger automatic defense cuts, could be damaging to national security.

    Co-Chairman Jeb Hensarling (Texas) emphasized the need for the supercommittee to tackle Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security. The GOP congressman said any changes to discretionary spending would be “helpful,” but alone would not allow the supercommittee to meet its goals.

    He said the supercommittee must devise “quality healthcare and quality retirement security solutions” in order to meet its mandate to “significantly improve the short-term and long-term fiscal imbalance.”

    “Everything else we do including dealing with discretionary budget will be helpful but nothing else will solve the structural debt crisis,” Hensarling said.

    Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) pushed back on the calls for stimulus during the hearing, getting Elmendorf to acknowledge it is impossible to prove that the stimulus law passed in 2009 worked.


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    http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/190103-dems-seek-1t-tax-hike-3t-deficit-cut

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    The BEST case scenario for us would be that they "Super" committee can't come to an agreement and the cuts are made across the board. The Republicans will cry because of defense cuts and the Democrats will cry because of the entitlement cuts... but these cuts need to be made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    The BEST case scenario for us would be that they "Super" committee can't come to an agreement and the cuts are made across the board. The Republicans will cry because of defense cuts and the Democrats will cry because of the entitlement cuts... but these cuts need to be made.
    I agree with that 100%. I hope they can't come to an agreement so both entitlements and military spending gets butchered to REASONABLE levels.

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    Ditto, good point.
    A message board is a place on the internet you can go to find out with anonymity why you dont speak more often at parties.

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    That works for me too.

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    I'm kind of shocked the default plan if they don't come to an agreement is comprised of just spending cuts and no tax increases. I thought the whole idea was to goad each side to work together so their side only loses a little of what they want instead of a lot. But with just cuts and no tax increases it seems like the Republicans aren't really giving up anything at all. Sure there will be cuts to defense spending that Republicans will hate but with how bloated that budget is it seems inevitable anyways. Besides Republicans main point seems to be no tax increases.

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    WTF is a kerfuffle?

    That being said - I am in agreement with PB.

    Lets see the spending cuts, which is a natural cure to being overbudget.

    We can address tax increases once we some recovery in the economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gan View Post
    WTF is a kerfuffle?

    That being said - I am in agreement with PB.

    Lets see the spending cuts, which is a natural cure to being overbudget.

    We can address tax increases once we some recovery in the economy.
    Why would we have to address tax increases? Shrink the bloated government and we could see a tax DECREASE.

    Why do people think it's normal to give almost half of what you earn to government?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Why do people think it's normal to give almost half of what you earn to government?
    Don't worry ClydeR I got this one. Because Jesus endorsed paying taxes, after all he said:

    "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"

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    The Democrats proposed Medicare cuts, shouldn't they win public opinion by default?
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    Why do people think it's normal to give almost half of what you earn to government?
    There's nothing normal about it. The normal life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short. If you want to get out of that, you have to sacrifice something at the altar of Civilization.

    The rosy idealistic view of civilized life with low to no cost/taxes is just not realistic, PB.
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