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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I was stating, not 100% of Republicans support Israel, same on the left.
    Ok. I’m not aware of any Republicans that don’t support Israel, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. The statement itself sounds disingenuous and this is why my political peers criticize you. The two parties are not equal in that regard. One party has several members that are outspoken against Israel and calling for a cessation of hostilities (and not because they just love peace).

    I’m sure there are good innocent Palestinians caught up in this, and I do have empathy for those folks. That being said, I totally understand & support Israel’s response & taking every measure to make certain Hamas never attacks their people again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I was stating, not 100% of Republicans support Israel, same on the left.
    You're being mealy-mouthed again.

    State the names. Put their party behind the names.

    Here, I'll start for you:

    Democrats:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Rashida Tlaib
    Jamaal Bowman
    Summer Lee
    Ilhan Omar
    Cori Bush
    Andre Carson
    Delia Ramirez
    Ayanna Pressley
    Betty McCollum

    Now go ahead and list out all the Republicans that stand with Hamas.

    We will wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    Get out and go where exactly?
    Should have thought about that before electing Hamas as their government and launching 5,000 missiles into Israel.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    Should have thought about that before electing Hamas as their government and launching 5,000 missiles into Israel.
    I 100% agree. They probably thought the hostages would help them.
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    At least 11 Americans dead and possibly more hostages. They better start releasing people because this has already gotten so far out of hand it isn't funny.

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    I will start off by saying that the slaughter and kidnapping of innocents in unequivocally wrong whoever does it and should be punished as such(US included). But try to keep a high level view of the events taking place. Suddenly nobody cares about Ukraine or the house speaker. 75% of US Congress is dual citizens of Israel. Somehow two of the best intelligence agencies didn’t catch this attack? Or did it give them casus belli to remove the Palestinians?


    I get that people change, after all look at some of the horrible things our president has said in the past and clearly he’s better now, but something here doesn’t pass the smell test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post


    I will start off by saying that the slaughter and kidnapping of innocents in unequivocally wrong whoever does it and should be punished as such(US included). But try to keep a high level view of the events taking place. Suddenly nobody cares about Ukraine or the house speaker. 75% of US Congress is dual citizens of Israel. Somehow two of the best intelligence agencies didn’t catch this attack? Or did it give them casus belli to remove the Palestinians?


    I get that people change, after all look at some of the horrible things our president has said in the past and clearly he’s better now, but something here doesn’t pass the smell test.
    From what I read, the reason it wasn’t picked up, was for a few reasons.
    1. Israel gets a fuck ton of false information, could be a result of being complacent.
    2. Hamas went old school, Israel monitors a lot of communication, hamas didn’t use phones etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post


    I will start off by saying that the slaughter and kidnapping of innocents in unequivocally wrong whoever does it and should be punished as such(US included). But try to keep a high level view of the events taking place. Suddenly nobody cares about Ukraine or the house speaker. 75% of US Congress is dual citizens of Israel. Somehow two of the best intelligence agencies didn’t catch this attack? Or did it give them casus belli to remove the Palestinians?


    I get that people change, after all look at some of the horrible things our president has said in the past and clearly he’s better now, but something here doesn’t pass the smell test.
    In all fairness, I didn’t care a whole lot about Ukraine (at least our constant funding of it) before this happened, and disillusioned by the whole Speaker fiasco.

    I tend to suspect government incompetence before I do a Bond villain level conspiracy theory, but I get your point. We’ll never know. My counter would be government intelligence just fucks up and misses things all the time, and we rarely if ever hear about the times they got it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    In all fairness, I didn’t care a whole lot about Ukraine (at least our constant funding of it) before this happened, and disillusioned by the whole Speaker fiasco.

    I tend to suspect government incompetence before I do a Bond villain level conspiracy theory, but I get your point. We’ll never know. My counter would be government intelligence just fucks up and misses things all the time, and we rarely if ever hear about the times they got it right.
    I agree. I do tend to dabble in the conspiracy realm because, like the intelligence world, i like to see everything out there, come up with my own conclusions, and then see how things play out.

    when you stand back from the situation you can watch the mass psychosis play out in real time. Watch people move from one cause to the next without any real idea why or what they are supporting, they just know that everyone else is and if they dont people might wonder why they arent supporting the cause. It can be alienating at times and its a scarier perspective overall, ignorance is bliss i guess.
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