Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Wrathbringer]

He's incorrect. The amendment language doesn't give any such qualifications.



A child born in the US is *always* here legally unless they are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US (in which case we're talking about either foreign invaders or diplomats). You are maligning US citizens right now, and it's gross.

You're retarded.

[time4fun]

My information is directly from the law. I haven't placed an opinion anywhere. I have stated WHAT Trump is saying. WHAT is going to happen, and WHO is going to determine it. Nothing else. I haven't even said whether I agree with it or not. Of course, your toxic attitude has you in constant attack mode.

If your information were directly from "the law"- we wouldn't be having this conversation. The jurisdiction clause, by the way, was primarily put there to deal with the issue of Native American reservations (and preemptively foreign invaders)- though it also applies to people with diplomatic immunity. There was never any intention of precluding people who were born to undocumented immigrants.

Because, in theory, this is supposed to be a country where you don't lose rights based on who your parents are. And SCOTUS agrees:

Elk v Wilkins

Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.

Also allow me to also re-narrate this conversation for you:

1) I pointed out that birthright citizenship is literally written into the Constitution

2) YOU then jumped in and made an inaccurate statement to disagree

3) I then corrected you

4) You then held fast to your clearly incorrect interpretation and accused me of failing to understand the situation

5) I pointed out that you were the one who misunderstood

6) You went into victim mode and called me toxic

Find a mirror. Look into it really hard.

[Gelston]

If your information were directly from "the law"- we wouldn't be having this conversation. The jurisdiction clause, by the way, was primarily put there to deal with the issue of Native American reservations (and preemptively foreign invaders)- though it also applies to people with diplomatic immunity. There was never any intention of precluding people who were born to undocumented immigrants.

Because, in theory, this is supposed to be a country where you don't lose rights based on who your parents are. And SCOTUS agrees:

Elk v Wilkins



Also allow me to also re-narrate this conversation for you:

1) I pointed out that birthright citizenship is literally written into the Constitution

2) YOU then jumped in and made an inaccurate statement to disagree

3) I then corrected you

4) You then held fast to your clearly incorrect interpretation and accused me of failing to understand the situation

5) I pointed out that you were the one who misunderstood

6) You went into victim mode and called me toxic

Find a mirror. Look into it really hard.

Again, I only ever pointed out the argument being made. You corrected nothing because you aren't a court. Again, you are not the decider on this issue. I'm not either. You can't correct shit about it.

[Tgo01]

If your information were directly from "the law"- we wouldn't be having this conversation. The jurisdiction clause, by the way, was primarily put there to deal with the issue of Native American reservations (and preemptively foreign invaders)- though it also applies to people with diplomatic immunity.

So many exceptions carved out for this "ALL persons" argument, yet supposedly it doesn't preclude people residing in the country illegally. Weird.

Nothing is better settled at the common law than the doctrine that the children even of aliens born in a country while the parents are resident there under the protection of the government and owing a temporary allegiance thereto are subjects by birth.

Hilarious you bring this case up, the case whereupon the supreme court decided that an American Indian born on a reservation wasn't under the jurisdiction of the US and thus was not a US citizen. The supreme court has never overturned this decision by the way.

Not to mention the quote you cited is clearly referring to LEGAL RESIDENTS of the US, which American Indians are and were at that time, it is obviously not referring to illegal aliens.

You really should stop owning yourself so hard.

[BigWorm]

It's a PR stunt to get blood and soil racists who don't understand the law worked up before the election. From this thread, I can tell it is working pretty well on most of the usual suspects here, though Rocktar is level-headed enough to recognize this doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of actually affecting how citizenship status is adjudicated. A court challenge is probably the only realistic remedy here which will be a huge waste of money and time, but I guess it will be good to have a crystal clear ruling on this exact question eventually.

Do any of you have a serious legal analysis you can link to that supports your interpretation of the 14th amendment?

[Fortybox]

My information is directly from the law. I haven't placed an opinion anywhere. I have stated WHAT Trump is saying. WHAT is going to happen, and WHO is going to determine it. Nothing else. I haven't even said whether I agree with it or not. Of course, your toxic attitude has you in constant attack mode.

You do realize you are dealing with a textbook narcissist right? I’m serious here.

[Neveragain]

Ouch!

[Fortybox]

Great quote by Harry Reid in 1993:

"If making it easy to be an illegal alien isn't enough, how about offering a reward for being an illegal alien? No sane country would do that, right? Guess again. If you break our laws by entering this country without permission to give birth to a child, we reward that child with US citizenship and guarantee a full access to all public and social services this society provides - and that's a lot of services. Is it any wonder that 2/3 of the babies born at taxpayer expense at county-run hospitals in Los Angeles are born to illegal alien mothers?"

But of course it's different now.

[Tgo01]

Ouch!

What a pathetic little lying sack of shit she is. But racist Democrats such as time4fun and cwolff will rush to vote for her again.

[Parkbandit]

What a pathetic little lying sack of shit she is. But racist Democrats such as time4fun and cwolff will rush to vote for her again.

Pretty sure, if you are under ethics review.. you have been notified of it.

PLEASE LET THIS WOMAN RUN FOR PRESIDENT IN 2020!!!!