WTF is going on? This demands an immediate military response.
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WTF is going on? This demands an immediate military response.
Edit: I didn’t see the other thread and not sure how to delete this one.
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Honestly, is it possible to have too many balloon threads?Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiwgOWo7mDc
Personally, I think it's just a Chinese weather research balloon that got caught up in the jet stream.
I take this kind of shit with a grain of salt. It makes for a great distraction to call it a Chinese spy balloon when you're losing public support for a proxy war with our mortal enemy.
update: Sounds like another balloon has been spotted over Latin America, so, who the hell knows.
It’s a shame it turned out that way. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, we missed out on a golden opportunity to create a better world. That is our own failure. Look no further than Japan post WW2 as proof of concept. Alas, in our present time Russia is indeed our mortal enemy albeit but a shadow of the power they once were.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
That being said, Ukraine is and always has been a war-torn shit-stained nation of illiterate peasants. The Steppes are geographically positioned to be the eternal battleground between the last alliance of men & elves VS Sauron’s vast army of orcs and Easternlings. They are not a country worthy of our blank check, nor is it fiscally responsible to do so at the moment.
Edit: unless of course you mean China as the mortal enemy.
I meant Russia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
I was listening to an audiobook a few months ago, don't recall the title, kind of a history of physics book. At the end of WW2, the scientific community was split on whether to keep nuclear secrets from the Russians or to openly share nuclear information between all the Allied countries. I wonder how that worked out on an alternative timeline.
At the end of WW2, conflict with the USSR was inevitable. We’re lucky WW2 didn’t stretch out further immediately after Japan’s surrender. We were simply too ideologically different. Stalin was a motherfucker that would have rolled over all of Europe if he had his way. He probably would have used such secrets against the West had they become a nuclear power before they did in the 50s.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
After the collapse of the Berlin Wall and subsequent fall of the USSR, Russia was poised to embrace democracy & western culture. It didn’t turn out that way. Perhaps they weren’t ready for it. It fell into the hands of the mob & oligarchy. Perhaps we could never trust them as we kept allowing NATO membership to push towards their border despite our promise to do otherwise. We had an opportunity to help them nation build and make them our ally, but history just didn’t play out that way.
Since history turned out the way it did, they are today still our mortal enemy. They are weak though and far removed from the super power status they once were. The real inevitable conflict & more serious Cold War we are in right now is with China. It’s something our politicians don’t say out loud for reasons, but make no mistake that conflict is inevitable.
Statement from the Border Patrol Union: China watching our border more closely than the Biden Admin.
You gotta love it.
Agreed, Stalin was a dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Though, and I'm not going to argue whether using the a-bombs was right or wrong, Russia was faced with 2 nuclear weapons that just went off at their border. The argument is, had nuclear technology been shared, would the nuclear arms race grown to the point that it did/has because of the mutual distrust and fear of the unknown.
They said he knew about it before it started flying over US soil. Why didn’t the president take action then before it became an issue? I won’t be surprised if they just allow it to continue floating around indefinitely at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
China being the massive trade partner it is, I think the only 'inevitable' conflict is through Republicans who are currently shrieking to shoot down alleged Chinese aircraft or research balloons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Let’s pretend for a moment it really is just a weather balloon that went astray. It’s still in our airspace. We are well within our rights to shoot it down and/or capture the object. I set the bar pretty low for obligations of the federal government, but one of their essential functions is to protect our sovereignty from international threats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I get my news from phone video
https://funnyjunk.com/It+begins/iDuLRvQ/
It's not an "alleged" Chinese balloon, the Chinese government has flat out said it belongs to them.
Why does Seran insist on being the biggest idiot to have ever existed?
They said it is a weather balloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I don't see the big deal, what can it see that Chinese satellites can't?
Yeah but Seran didn't even say that, he said it's an "alleged Chinese aircraft."Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I dunno. That's kind of what the debate is right now though. Our military and intelligence have said they don't believe for a second it is just a weather balloon or that it just got blown off course, so what exactly is it doing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
If we allow the balloon to return to China then we are kind of showing to the world that we won't even defend our own airspace.
Would it be in international airspace because of its altitude? It is above Class A controlled air space. And just like that Russian spyship that pops off the coast of New England once every few years, I don't think we can do anything to it, within the bounds of international laws that we have agreed to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
And apparently the DoDD said not to shoot it down because the debris it would create would be more dangerous than the balloon itself. They also said it would be really hard to shoot down because it doesn't contain much, if any, metal or give out heat so missiles can't really get it.
I think most countries would consider 60,000 feet to be part of their airspace.
It is above that, and really, at a range above most SAM systems... Which couldn't lock on to it anyways. It is easier for us to shoot down a satellite than this balloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's a fucking balloon.. and you can see how Biden is just so afraid to do anything...
1) China has been anything but trustworthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
2) Even if it’s totally harmless, I don’t like the idea of an object like that floating over our airspace.
A balloon could have a nuclear warhead beneath it. Or mustard gas canisters. The freaking array on it is as big as a fire engine.
And it's effectively defeated our defenses apparently. China has learned a lot about our defenses, even if they got nothing back from the balloon. We just have a feckless leader who's foreign policy has been wrong for 50 years.
It should have been shot down when it was near Alaska. If we say we cannot shoot it down, I'd be floating balloons over Ukraine if I was Putin.
But it sounds like we are taking it down today after it clears SC.
FAA seems to think it has some concern as some airspace was just closed.
https://mobile.twitter.com/FAANews/s...44424916721666
A countries airspace extends to 100,000 feet, it is well below that. For those of you that think we should not shoot it down, what if there is a nuclear bomb on board. Detonate it and North America goes back to the stone ages, and I am sure some of Central America as well.
The fact is there are a whole lot of good reasons to bring it down and none to keep it up. And anyone that thinks it will antagonize China, does not understand China and their history. They already think they are superiors to westerners so the only thing that can dent that mindset is defeating them.
There's no way China would put a warhead or canisters on their balloon.. it would be WW3 if they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
It's a spy balloon or a weather balloon.. shoot it down and get whatever you need from it. Should have been done from day 1.
It was just shot down it looks like. Crisis averted.
Well Seran said Republicans were being irresponsible for suggesting that. What is he going to say now that Biden did it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
We already know the answer. Greatest.President.Ever. Seran is a grandmaster of doublethink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Honestly waiting til it was over water was the right move, on the remote chance there was a bio agent of any sort on it, which is vastly more likely, water would hopefully neutralize it, doubt anyone could predict the debris field from taking it down over land. My guess is it was launched to get accurate reads of atmospheric currents, because while they exist most of them are just educated guesses.
Loot crate dropping
https://funnyjunk.com/Footage+of+the...bloon/cpvLRpc/
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
EDIT: Of course Seran believes China, fucking dumbass :rofl:
Biden is a 4D chess grandmaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The blathering idiots on the right are unsurprisingly complaining how long it took the Pentagon to act, after having been given the direction to shoot the balloon down the brass opted to wait until it was over the ocean. Losers
Who gave the order?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Yeah.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Biden on Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
That was just the crew of the Truman Show doing it's video taping for a second movie.
https://apnews.com/article/politics-...gn=position_01Quote:
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. military on Saturday shot down a suspected Chinese spy balloon off the Carolina coast after it traversed sensitive military sites across North America. China insisted the flyover was an accident involving a civilian aircraft and threatened repercussions.
President Joe Biden issued the order but had wanted the balloon downed even earlier, on Wednesday. He was advised that the best time for the operation would be when it was over water, U.S. officials said. Military officials determined that bringing it down over land from an altitude of 60,000 feet would pose an undue risk to people on the ground.
China responded that it reserved the right to “take further actions” and criticized the U.S. for “an obvious overreaction and a serious violation of international practice.”
In its statement Sunday, China’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that “China will resolutely uphold the relevant company’s legitimate rights and interests, and at the same time reserving the right to take further actions in response.” China’s Ministry of Defense echoed the statement later in the day, saying it “reserves the right to take necessary measures to deal with similar situations.”
Sit down coomer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo
So we have supposedly been tracking this balloon for a week or so... and we finally took action after it hoovered over our ICBM sites in Montana..
Why didn't we shoot it down over Alaska then? If it's what they say it was, why did we do nothing for over a week?
My favorite excuse so far is "Well, it happened during the Trump administration too!" I don't remember it happening then... must be the Trump friendly media was giving him cover.......
The best thing about the balloon is, we will have a string of paranoid people looking up at the skies and reporting UFO's. Just like what happened when Russia launched Sputnik.
We were learning stuff from the balloon before our unpatriotic media alerted the Chinese that we were aware of it. Trump never shot down Chinese balloons that came into the country multiple times while he was President. He recognized the value of studying the balloons. After the Chinese learned we were aware of it, there was no longer any point in letting it appear to pass unnoticed, while we studied it and fed it false info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Why am I the only person in this forum who understands what was really going on? Y'all need to watch more spy movies.
Quote:
Long before the shoot down, U.S. officials took steps to protect against the balloon's collection of sensitive information, mitigating its intelligence value to the Chinese. The senior defense official said the recovery of the balloon will enable U.S. analysts to examine sensitive Chinese equipment. "I would also note that while we took all necessary steps to protect against the PRC surveillance balloon's collection of sensitive information, the surveillance balloon's overflight of U.S. territory was of intelligence value to us," the official said. "I can't go into more detail, but we were able to study and scrutinize the balloon and its equipment, which has been valuable."
The balloon did not pose a military or physical threat. Still its intrusion into American airspace over several days was an unacceptable violation of U.S. sovereignty. The official said Chinese balloons briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.
More...
It's not a case of faulty memory. You don't remember it because you were not told about it at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Gotta love China’s response. They take no accountability for this thing floating into our airspace. In fact, it’s our fault and a big overreaction shooting it down.
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Since some official just recently revealed that fact in a press conference, we should take it as gospel. The Pentagon would never lie to the American people.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
The DoD said it didn't pose any bigger risk than a spy satellite would have. The debris from shooting it down would have been more dangerous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Yeah all those residents of Montana who could see a balloon should have kept their damn mouth shut. What the hell is our media doing reporting news that people can see in the sky with their own two eyes?!? How dare our media not check with the Ministry of Truth first. Unpatriotic bastards.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
There are 1.3 people per square mile who live in Alaska. It's unlikely that there was any danger to anyone there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
There are 7.4 people per square mile who live in Montana. A much higher chance, but still not much.
For comparison reasons, there are 421 people per square mile in NY, 400 for Florida and 170 in SC.
Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
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You didn't see this type of behavior when Trump was President.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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Originally Posted by Parkbandit
For a balloon flying at 60,000 feet, the debris field would have been a circle with a 7-mile radius. Applying some elementary math, that works out to 154 square miles. With 1.3 people per square mile, you would have killed 200 people. Congratulations.
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SENIOR MILITARY OFFICIAL: The senior military official would like to add something there. Just to put some context to the risk. So — so the debris field is at least seven miles spread out. So you can have an understanding, it doesn’t just fall down. It would have fallen at least in a seven-mile kind of radius that you'd have to clear and ensure safety of U.S. citizens and also infrastructure. Thank you.
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The problem with your math is you are not applying the size of this tiny balloon object. It’s not a nuke that is going to kill everyone in a 7 mile radius…Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Edit: Tiny in size as compared to the radius of the debris field & the fact most of it is literally a balloon (soft).
You should have stuck with "BUUUUUT IT HAPPENED WHEN TRUMP WUZ PRESIDENT TWO!" because you would have sounded less dumb than you do in this post.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
And you could certainly use more of those less dumb moments.
Ignoring all the clear instrumentation beneath it? Clearly shooting it down over the ocean reduces the risk of civilian casualties and increasing the likelihood of recovery. Your people would have had people injured or killed with no chance of recovery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Trump was too busy trying to appear an effective leader (and failing) to do anything..
Quote:
Chinese spy balloons were sighted three times during the Trump administration, US officials said.
A balloon US officials are calling a Chinese surveillance tool spent days flying over the continental United States before it was shot down by an F-22 fighter jet on Saturday.
Pentagon leaders advised President Joe Biden against immediately shooting the flying orb out of the sky due to safety concerns for civilians as the high-altitude object was large enough to create a large debris field, a senior defense official who spoke on background told reporters Thursday.
The dayslong spectacle saw many Republicans criticize the Biden administration for what they viewed as a slow response to the foreign object, while some conservative leaders and pundits took the opportunity to pick at confidence under the Biden administration in general as they claimed no other leader such as Donald Trump would have let a Chinese spy balloon fly over the US.
"Would Trump have let China fly a spy balloon over our country?" Rep. Jim Jordan wrote on Twitter. "Would Reagan? JFK? Truman? No, no, and no."
But senior Pentagon officials said on Saturday that suspected Chinese surveillance balloons crossed into the US at least three times during the Trump administration and once earlier in the Biden administration, the Associated Press reported.
The senior defense official who spoke on background also said "a balloon of this nature" crossed over the continental US before the Biden administration but declined to specify when.
"It's happened a few times in recent years to include before this administration. But beyond that, I'm not going to go into the details," the official said.
It's also unclear if balloons spotted during the Trump administration were shot down. A Pentagon spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment.
https://www.businessinsider.com/cons...s-trump-2023-2
This is already in the process of being debunked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I'll wait for the hot air to be cleared.
If I dumped a bag of pennies from 60,000 feet, the pennies would still be harmless. I know this because I didn't use elementary math.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
Business Insider?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
LOL... please stop.
“Your people”, huh? Tell me more about your identity politics troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Seran: The crazy Republicans want to shoot it down! What a bunch of psychopaths!!!11! China is a valuable trading partner!11!!!
Biden shoots balloon down.
Seran: Thank God we have a smart and intelligent leader like Biden who shot it down only after it completed its mission and was over the ocean!
Looks like you all called it.
For the more lunacy inclined out there, there is this historical footnote. https://twitter.com/NavalInstitute/s...10952489590785
I saw that episode of Myth Busters too! Very good. But you fail to understand that terminal velocity has no practical application to very heavy objects, like whatever was the size of three buses attached to that balloon. Further, you would not want to be hit by a penny traveling at its terminal velocity, even if it did not kill you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
By 'debunked' you mean Trump lying about it never happened? Lol. You shouldn't out so many eggs in one orange basket.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
I'm sure the Secretary of Defense and Reuters for quoting him must be mistaken, since Trump denies it. Lol
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-c...182122188.htmlQuote:
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said on Saturday the U.S. military was able to collect "valuable" intelligence by studying the balloon, and that three other Chinese surveillance balloons had transited the United States during Donald Trump's administration - a disclosure the Republican former president denied.
I don't fail to understand anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
The heavier objects, that would be a threat, would remain towards the center of the debris field (as we see in the video). The tiny bits and pieces, that pose no threat, would be on the outer edges of the debris field.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hHkFSf9ntQ
It's kind of the same reason that the earths crust primarily contains silica and the earths core is iron.
I'm sure a penny would be harmful if it were to reach terminal velocity, it's a good thing we don't live in a vaccum.
Just more "But but buuuutttttt Trump" whining.
I feel all of them should be dropped as they approach US airspace and don't respond to challenge and so on. This one is where Biden fucked up. Own it bitch, your geriatric, Chinese puppet, dementia patient fucked up.
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Originally Posted by Seran
That's putting no eggs in any baskets. But you're retarded and don't understand the written English language.Quote:
I'll wait for the hot air to be cleared.
https://mechse.illinois.edu/news/blo...misconceptionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
No. The terminal velocity is from 30-50 mph and based on mass, not substantially harmful.
Hey, man. I've been a part of penny fights, that shit can hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Wrong thread loser. We have another one going on the topic of Biden’s “transitory” inflation as it applies to the scarcity & high costs of eggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
chinee bloon go boom squish.
Amuricans go yay yay in street!
Half of the Americans. The other half is waiting for Fox News to tell them whether to be angry for offending the Chinese or to be furious Biden didn't offend them harder.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elanthil
You watch more Fox News than pretty much everyone else on this board combined.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Trump isn't the only one denying it. Many in his cabinet are... plus we had literally zero stories about it during the Trump Administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
CNN did an entire segment on Trump getting two scoops of ice cream while everyone else got one. No, seriously, that was an actual "news" segment that CNN had on the air.
The Democrats literally impeached him over a phone call.
And now Democrats want us to believe that China had so many spy balloons flying over our country while Trump was president and NO ONE knew about it until the day after Biden finally got his senile ass out of his chair and ordered this spy balloon to be shot down.
Just how fucking stupid are Seran and Bhaalizmo to keep falling for this shit over and over again?
Seran is the reigning retard champion.. and if he were to die tomorrow, Bhaalizmo would take over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
So to answer your question: They are super retards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
You cannot assume the bits and pieces would be as un-aerodynamic as a penny. The flechettes dropped during WWI were deadly, but impossible to aim reliably. To make up for the inability to aim, they would drop hundreds of them at a time, covering large areas. Planes during WWI flew less than half the height of the Chinese balloon.
It's irresponsible to claim that it would be safe to shoot down something like this balloon over land. I don't understand why you're trying. You surely know better. If you can convince people that it would be safe, are you sure that would that advance your tribal position?
Quit asking that, they keep taking it as a "Hold my soy" challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClydeR
I haven't said they should or should not have shot it down. I was pointing out how stupid your elementary math was.
You also can't assume that the bits and pieces are more aerodynamic than a penny.
See how that works?
So after this lie that China was flying balloons over the US during the Trump administration and no one said a word about it didn’t pass the sniff test, a Biden administration official now says the intelligence community discovered China did fly balloons over the US while Trump was president but they didn’t discover this until after Trump left office.
You can’t even make this shit up anymore. Now we just need to wait for Seran and Bhaalizmo to gas light and divert attention to their next mental abortion of an argument.
There were plenty of soy loving beta males like Seran, looking up into the sky during the Trump Administration.. they would have seen something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
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Says the retard who made his own special butthurt thread just for Fox News, because you're the only one here who actually watches Fox News.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Are you capable of anything besides projection? That was rhetorical, because of course you're not.
Fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
In before Bhaalizmo is like, "oMg kEeP mY nAmE oUt Of YuOr MuTh!!!!!!!!" all extra butthurt-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
So, you deny China sent spy balloons over the Untied States, despite the highest ranking DoD official confirming it, but just in case they did, you assert the US couldn't detect the flights occurring during the Trump administration until years later? Lol, which is it, they happened or didn't happen? The only thing you seem to be unable to make up is a consistent excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You remember that top DOD and Intelligence officials said the Hunter Laptop was fake despite the fact they knew it was real?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...12/134/a47.jpg
So no, we don't trust that this corrupt administration is telling the truth in this matter. Especially in the face that 95% of the media, if they had this info, would have been harping on it for months to attack Trump. This sounds an awful lot like the majority Left's continued, made up, accusations of sexual misconduct. "Oh, I remembered something that happened 30 plus years ago that might have possibly happened maybe when I was a drunk teen getting ran through at a party."
There's that gaslighting and deflection I was talking about!
I feel the need to repeat this because Seran is once again showing he can't read.
Someone from BIDEN'S administration said the intelligence community didn't know about the balloons under Trump until after Trump left office.
Even if I were to believe there were any balloons at all, it's not difficult to understand how the intelligence community wouldn't find out about it until after the fact. You do...you do understand how espionage and intelligence gathering works...right? You think all of that happens in real time and we know immediately when it happens?
Bhaalizmo better get in here quick to defend you, because you're looking dumber than usual, which is hard to believe.
Imagine being this fucking stupid and gullible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I can't.
So, just so we got this right:
1) Spy balloon is witnessed over Montana by citizens and pilots. Hundreds of witnesses.
2) US Government said “We have been tracking this spy balloon since last week.”
3) Biden criticized for not dealing with this a week ago.
4) White House claims he told them to shoot it down on 2/1, but the Pentagon said wait for it to be over water.
5) Biden criticized for his slow response.
6) White House claims that there were 3 spy balloons over the US during the previous administration, but no one saw them and they didn’t know about them until recently.
And Seran is sitting there, gap mouthed and believing their “reasoning”…
https://media.tenor.com/-meyt5QKiRYA...at-blowjob.gif
https://media.tenor.com/vcAr5f1KHssA...lag-yellow.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
This administration is going full 1984.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
https://i.imgur.com/3rM65x8.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Seran
https://i.imgur.com/0y5zsiA.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Fun fact: Seran is still looking for the tape
Anything involving "intelligence" in any form at all is foreign to Seran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You do understand radar right, that thing which both the DoD spokesperson and Secretary of Defense Austin have confirmed were successful in picking up the Chinese balloon? Radar also existed in Trump's administration, so your willful ignorance of the DoD stating they were aware of similar over flights in the last administration is just your own failure to comprehend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Some days I can't tell if you're really this gullible or if you're just that much of a simp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
We'll go with both. Because it's both. Because you're a ginormous retard.
https://media.tenor.com/wsQu2WDUAk8A...-ken-jeong.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Yeah I still don’t know how to post a regular sized image when it is sourced from my own photo library.
There is definitely some clever way to wrap this all up with Nena's "99 Red Balloons," and have the lyrics altered into political satire.
I'm the closest thing to Weird Al on these forums and I can't do shit. Very frustrating.
Hey look, the balloons equipment was recovered and is being airlifted for analysis. Good thing it wasn't shot down to crash land on someone's trailer home in Billings MT.
A trailer home in Billings is far better than a cardboard box in San Francisco.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
They are saying the balloon most likely had explosives on it. Gee, good thing Biden allowed it to travel all over the US before finally shooting it out of the sky, you know, because it was safer to have a giant balloon filled with explosives floating over the whole country.
You mean as opposed to the section 8 welfare housing you live in?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Upload to imgurQuote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Link here using [ img ] [ /img ] tags without the spaces.
"They"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You can google it, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
What am I saying...you're definitely too stupid for that, despite the part where you're constantly telling people to google shit after you regurgitate dumb shit that's stupid and wrong 100% of the time, because you also have no self awareness.
Anyway...
As Navy divers work to recover debris from the downed Chinese spy balloon, a top general said Monday that the U.S. is investigating whether it was carrying explosives, describing it as 200-feet tall, weighing thousands of pounds and with a payload the size of a jetliner.
https://i.imgur.com/PtVgcrG.png
There you go, greasy welfare loser.
If it's not from businessinsider.com, Seran believes it's fake news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Perhaps "They" should be happy it wasn't dropped on the aforementioned Billings trailer park if in fact it was carrying explosives. The Daily Mirror, reputable source of journalistic integrity that it is, is investigation "whether it was carrying explosives." Since 'most likely' didn't appear in that article, I'm assuming the They, that the It, formerly known as Dreaven, is another disreputable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Speaking of assuming...Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
You:Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
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You're just mad that "they" isn't a they/them.
Since Seran has proved he doesn't know how espionage and intelligence gathering works, here is an article for him:
https://www.newsmax.com/us/china-spy...06/id/1107478/
Quote:
A senior U.S. general responsible for bringing down a Chinese spy balloon said on Monday the military had not detected previous spy balloons before the one that appeared on Jan. 28 over the United States and called it an "awareness gap."
You now have a general and a Biden administration official stating the US did not detect the balloons under Trump and did indeed learn about it after the fact.Quote:
He added that U.S. intelligence determined the previous flights after the fact based on "additional means of collection" of intelligence without offering further details on whether that might be cyberespionage, telephone intercepts or human sources.
You've embarrassed yourself enough with this argument. Time to move onto your next talking point.
Do you every spout anything but the party line? Do you ever have an original thought in your head at all? Nevermind, keep on trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Yep…our top men are on it. Who? Top men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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Refreshing that the military and intelligence divisions under President Biden are capable of detecting foreign threats invaded our airspace, threats which were ignored or missed under Trump's leadership.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The full untruncated transcript referring to further details pending can be found:
https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcr...nd-and-united/
Did you just learn the word truncated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Let me help. If it's a full transcript, by default it hasn't been truncated.
Did you really just say that we only started being able to track balloons in our airspace as of 1/21/21?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I guess people have only been able to see objects in the sky since that same date?
You fucking retard.
Seran up in here thinking the real world is like a video game.
Assigning Joe Biden to be the president of your country:
+75 to radar detection
+100 to espionage
+1,000 to senility
+100,000 to devastating economic policies
Pointing out that's what all you dumbasses think. Turns out Air Force Intelligence knew of Chinese balloons during Trump's Presidency and y'all are pretending it's not possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
The story keeps changing in an obvious attempt to distract from the political implications on the Biden administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
The latest from the pentagon is that they did not detect them and only just recently learned about them. How did they just recently learn about alleged Chinese Spy Balloons that flew over 3x during the Trump administration? We don’t know and they haven’t said. We can deduct either two possibilities though:
1) What the pentagon is saying is true and there was a self admitted “domain awareness gap” (AKA our military surveillance fucked up & they are incompetent)
2) They are lying about prior Chinese Spy Balloons during the Trump admin for political reasons, and now lying further when multiple sources came out to say it simply didn’t happen or they were not brief after the initial statement that it happened three times under Trump.
I’m more inclined to think it’s #2 at this point as they have a track record of lying to the American public, but in either scenario the Trump administration had 0 knowledge about any prior Chinese spy balloons entering our airspace.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64547394.amp
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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
#1 is gospel to Seran because he's a gullible brain dead NPC that makes George McFly look like James Randi in comparison.
tldr; No matter what Trump's not at fault for not knowing what military intelligence knew during his administration, because he absolutely, positively couldn't be lying about not being told. Occams Razor, they knew, he knew and Trump is lying about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
What's more poignant is Republicans were trying to score political points by saying this was a fuck up that could only ever happen under Biden. Except no, not only was it not a fuck up and we've now recovered equipment being studied for counterintelligence opportunities due to great leadership, but we also know it did happen under Trump too.
So if Republicans had not tried to turn this into a partisan attack, they wouldn't be back pedaling so hard on yet another hypocritical issue.
Did they find any survivors yet?
Jesus Christ you are seriously the dumbest and most full of shit person on the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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Originally Posted by Methais
Another one bites the dust.
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Biden ordered US military to ‘down’ a ‘high-altitude object’ over Alaska, White House says
The White House announced Friday that President Joe Biden ordered the military to down what it described as a “high-altitude object” hovering over Alaska earlier in the day.
“The Department of Defense was tracking a high-altitude object over Alaska airspace in the last 24 hours,” National Security Council coordinator for strategic communications John Kirby told reporters when asked about rumors of another suspected Chinese surveillance balloon.
The high-altitude object, Kirby said, was flying at an altitude of 40,000 feet and “posed a reasonable threat to the safety of civilian flight.”
He continued, “Out of an abundance of caution and at the recommendation of the Pentagon, President Biden ordered the military to down the object, and they did. And it came inside our territorial waters – and those waters right now are frozen – but inside territorial airspace and over territorial waters. Fighter aircraft assigned to US Northern Command took down the object within last hour.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/10/polit...own/index.html
Seran: OMG! Republicans are absolute lunatics demanding Biden shoot down a Chinese owned spy balloon! China is a huge trading partner of ours!!!!
Also Seran: LOL! We got another one!
Typical brain dead NPC simp behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
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Originally Posted by Seran
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Dreaven/GOP Simps: "Biden didn't shoot down the China balloon fast enough and it spread deadly viruses and 5g all over the country."Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Department of Defense: "We shot down another high altitude object before it reached our shores in observance of national defense and commercial aviation needs."
Dreaven/GOP Simps: "But but but, Trump's Presidency had at least three balloons which flew over our country and didn't spread covid-19 or 5G vaccines!"
Hot off the press, they just found a third one over NYC.
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Now that's funny, I don't care who you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Suppressed Poet again.
No one is outraged by shooting down the balloon. It’s where we wanted it shot down. If it was shot down over land, we’d have no information about the real capabilities and uses of what the balloon were. Since we shot it down over water, and can actually recover it and see what it really was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
And if you say the Chinese spy balloon could do more than that… we’ll you should say thank you for shooting it down over the water instead of land, because you wouldn’t even know that otherwise.
I’m failing to see the issue here.
China has satellites that go over America all the time. America has the technology to stop over head imaging of getting any real data.
My dads satellite is bigger than your dads.. and he could beat his ass.. He also told me that he made your mom balloon with his satellite.. So I guess we're brothers?
There is no issue beyond Congressional Republicans and News outlets trying desperately to shame the President. Using both sides of the arguement no less.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
The US shot down another "unidentified" object, this time in Canadian airspace. So that's three now: the first one has been identified as a Chinese spy balloon, the other two are just "unidentified" objects. Of course the latter two were shot down before citizens could confirm if they were spy balloons.
What an embarrassment.
What's amazing if you're sticking with the shaming shtick against a President whose leadership and partnership with Canada is keeping you safer. Meanwhile your former orange creamsicle claims to have no clue about the spy balloons that he let sail over the country.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's amazing on how far we have come in just the past month. Prior to this month, we never heard of Chinese spy balloons... now we've not only shot down 3, but we found 3 we didn't know existed from the Trump administration!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Just remember, President Biden told us that this started during the Trump Administration.
IT'S TRUMP'S FAULT!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Seran
Wait, so now Seran is admitting the balloons pose a danger to US citizens and yet Biden let one sail across the entire country before he finally shot it down?
I don't think Seran thought that one out too well.
Wait, let me restate that: I don't think Seran thought.
The balloon(s) are just a distraction. Our government believes we all act like Hillary does when she sees a balloon...
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Roswell II "The Blue Beam Boogaloo"Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
When the plot is so bad that even Ukrainian propagandists are like "come on man."
https://youtu.be/n6_Y8NxqIKkQuote:
Originally Posted by Neveragain
Lake Michigan now under "UFO" attack and your President is Tweeting about men in dresses.
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LOL
Now China is claiming they are shooting down UFOs. Gotta love it.
This seemed insightful from today's episode of Meet the Press..
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JONAH GOLDBERG:
And I think one of the things he makes a good point about is: "Balloon" is a funny word. We like talking about balloons. And it was a giant, floating, middle finger above middle America. But the reality is these are all drones of one kind or another, with different forms of propulsion. And I think, not to get into the alien thing, but to quote Yoda, "Begun the Drone Wars, they have." We are going to be having this for a long time to come.
More...
Set your avatar to this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
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It will be the most accurate avatar in avatar history.
There is no brown stains around the mouth from all the poop eating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Rihanna worked with the Chinese government to infiltrate our country with hundreds of fresh spy balloons.
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I saw one on my way to work this morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It was about 40 feet over the road I was driving on my way to work. It looked to be about the size of a basketball, maybe a little bigger and had the shape of a round Mylar balloon. All I could make out from the bottom of this floating thing was a string dangling, so apparently it already dropped it's payload!
I frantically looked for fighter jets to come by and take the balloon thing out with an air to air missile, but I must not have stayed around long enough to see things go down. If it doesn't get shot down....
We are fucked! I need Biden to shoot this son of a bitch down! The floating thing was moving about 10mph south by southwest which means it's probably about 50 clicks from the location I originally saw it. I'm sure it's passed over the town I live in and is slowly going to be making it's way to NM or AZ if air currents don't change over the next 5-6 days.
Biden is on top of this shit..Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
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Seran: Biden, in his infinite wisdom, foresaw this problem years ago & came up with the perfect plan to defeat the UFO invasion. Everyone grab your 12 gauge double-barreled shotgun, step outside your home, and fire two blasts up in the air.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
https://youtu.be/CrzyRXSxuAg
Just pay attention to the balloons.... nothing to see here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPvfqm_XmaQ
Biden said out loud at a press conference - "We don't know what we shot down"...
Let that sink in...
Reports in one of the incidents was that we shot a $200K missile and we successfully destroyed a $12 hobby weather balloon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaps
USA!USA!USA!
Remember the Chinese spy balloon that Biden let float around US airspace for as long as China wanted?
Remember how complete wastes of oxygen such as Bhaalizmo and Seran said Biden made the right call by not shooting it down over land because it was too dangerous to shoot it down and it was safer to let it float around?
Remember how there were reports of the balloon carrying explosives and these same worthless pieces of shit said that was just misinformation and China would never do something like that?
Well, turns out even far left propaganda outlet NBC "news" admits the balloon was carrying explosives.
So Biden let a Chinese spy balloon, filled with explosives, float about our airspace all they wanted because "it was safer than shooting it down."Quote:
The balloon had a self-destruct mechanism that could have been activated remotely by China
Oh it's even better than that. Remember China's laughable claim that it was just a weather balloon that had flown off course and they couldn't control it? Apparently it making figure 8's over military bases. Yeah. So much for "couldn't be controlled."
At this point why even have the USA anymore? It's pretty clear Biden wants to sell us out to China and dipshits such as Seran and Bhaalizmo are more than happy to let him do it. They can't wait to kiss Chinese boots.
The balloon also completed its mission and transmitted data to China on sensitive areas in the U.S. All that BS about blocking it’s ability to transmit turned out to be total BS.
Biden put on a total dog and pony show claiming the military was moving sensitive assets out of view of the spy balloon, making us believe the balloon was gathering photo or video espionage material and Biden had thwarted their efforts by simply moving things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Turns out the balloon was gathering communications information, which the US could not stop them from gathering.
It's like having a toddler with Alzheimer's leading our government.
What're you two crying about?
Apparently I'm super pro China, which I found surprising.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Oh, I thought there were extra salty that Biden both acted appropriately in downing a Chinese balloon with inferior capabilities than current Chinese spy satellites with inferior communications capabilities than Chinese installations allowed to be built adjacent to US Military basis in Republican Midwest statesQuote:
Originally Posted by Bhaalizmo
The Chinese boot lickers showed up. Right on time.
Bro, are you high right now? Retards shouldn’t be allowed to smoke weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
At the same time, if we did shoot it down over the states, we wouldn’t have known anything about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
We wouldn’t have known that by not shooting it down right away it was able to complete its mission & transmit data back to China?Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
I suppose that is true.
Yeah, we wouldn’t have known what it really was by direct evidence, all its capabilities etc etc, so it’s a double edge sword in a way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Alright but hear me out… Say that I’m in a Russian gulag, and I spot Ivan snooping around my cell and looking at me funny. I have an opportunity to shank him before he can hurt me. Instead I just go to my bunk and fall asleep. Later that night I wake up to find Ivan violently raping me. By waking up to being raped I found out that my suspicions about Ivan were correct and now know precisely how big his penis is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Is it really a double edged sword? I would rather have just shanked Ivan when I caught him snooping around in my cell when I had the opportunity vs gaining intelligence from being raped.
Yes I understand your perspective perfectly, while of course looking back in hindsight we can definitively say we should have shot it down earlier, but we didn’t know what it was exactly at that time. While the balloon probably has more capabilities than a satellite, we also protect our military installments and bases from overhead spying anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
By shooting it down later, at least we can 100% confirm and understand what equipment the balloon has with certainty, and know it’s full purpose, rather than make guesses, and give China zero room to try to deny it.
I’m not defending these actions, just trying to show that waiting did have some benefits as well.
I think one reason we waited, is so we can actually catch the Chinese red handed.
But if we break down your version.
If you saw him snooping around your room, acting suspicious, and you think he might try to fuck you in the ass, you wouldn’t just fall asleep, you might question him, or threaten him to get the fuck out. you’d stay awake and make sure he didn’t try anything, then after he left your cell, you shank his ass and stomp on his face until he tells you what he was really doing.
Having suspicions and completely ignoring them, isn’t what we did. We questioned, we monitored, im sure we also did some things to make sure they couldn’t get anything from above, etc etc.
Biden was forced into taking action since too many people saw the spy balloon. Remember what he initially said.. 'There were chinese spy balloons during the Trump administration too!'Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
He is beholden to the Chinese.. just like Apple, Nike, Disney and the NBA.
LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
So, we knew it was a spy balloon over Alaska.. but we kept it in the air to actually spy on the spy balloon!
We're genius.
https://i.imgur.com/hOxQ2E9.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Our government said it knew it was a spy balloon when it entered our airspace over Alaska.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
What capabilities did we learn from it by letting it over our ICBM installations in Montana? From the sounds of it.. China made out like a bandit. They lost a cheap balloon which probably was sent on the one way mission.. and we claimed all the wreckage after the CCP got all the information it wanted.
In other words, normal people were correct. Again. And another leftist narrative that normal people called bullshit on from the beginning fell apart. Again. Except for Seran, because he's extra retarded and incapable of learning or retaining information and sees nothing wrong with Biden's response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
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While the balloon probably has more capabilities than a satellite, we also protect our military installments and bases from overhead spying anyways.
By shooting it down later, at least we can 100% confirm and understand what equipment the balloon has with certainty, and know it’s full purpose, rather than make guesses, and give China zero room to try to deny it.
I’m not defending these actions, just trying to show that waiting did have some benefits as well.
I think one reason we waited, is so we can actually catch the Chinese red handed.
But if we break down your version.
If you saw him snooping around your room, acting suspicious, and you think he might try to fuck you in the ass, you wouldn’t just fall asleep, you might question him, or threaten him to get the fuck out. you’d stay awake and make sure he didn’t try anything, then after he left your cell, you shank his ass and stomp on his face until he tells you what he was really doing.
Having suspicions and completely ignoring them, isn’t what we did. We questioned, we monitored, im sure we also did some things to make sure they couldn’t get anything from above, etc etc.
No, SP is correct and your take is pretty milquetoast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
How am I just learning that it's not spelled "milktoast"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
I think you are giving our executive administration and government in general a strong benefit of the doubt that they know exactly what they are doing & have a plan. We have been repeatedly kept in the dark on information if not outright lied to, so I personally don’t think they deserve that trust. Are we really going to do anything about this or change our foreign policy on China as a result? Doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Solkern
Instead of just saying we will be competitive with China but see them as a friend & acknowledge a One-China policy, it is past time we be clear & consistent in our tone & message. They are not our friends. We don’t seek war with them but if they cross certain lines like invade Taiwan, make foreign trade agreements on oil paying with their currency, aide Russia in their conflict with Ukraine, or bring spy balloons into our airspace…we will respond harshly with grave consequences to their country (it’s ok to leave that last part ambiguous). We need to make investments in India to make them our new China trade partner 2.0. Enough of this wishy-washy ambiguity BS that we have been doing for decades.
So your argument is that a balloon with inferior capabilities to Chinese spy satellites and communications monitoring stations should have been shot down over US soil where it's self destruction capabilities may have resulted in loss of American life? Knowing full well it's complete destruction would tell us nothing about it's capabilities? This somehow a better solution to confirming via a water landing what it's capabilities and mission was without the loss of life? You're pretty dumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
This is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Bro.. you should never call anyone "pretty dumb" given your history here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Just pretend you have some sense of self awareness, for fuck sake.
There was ample areas where you could shoot this over land where it posed no danger to anyone. Alaska has literally has a landmass to population of just over 1 person per square mile. Montana is a close 2nd with 7 people per square mile. If we are to believe the story of our current executive government's account: they claim they knew the moment it entered our air space above Alaska that it was a Chinese spy balloon. If that is actually the case, it should have been shot down immediately there with no threat to human life and well before it went over sensitive Montana installations to gather information.
And yet the military leaders who advised the President recommended it be shot down over water. The President so ordered and it was carried out. Your attempting to be an armchair general doesn't change the facts as they were determined and successfully carried out with no risk to civilians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
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Originally Posted by Seran
Are these the same military leaders that told us that we were dumb to believe that Afghanistan would fall to the Taliban?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
And no one, except maybe Biden, believes that the Chinese Spy Balloon was anything close to a success on any front... as evidenced by Biden claiming "IT HAPPENED UNDER TRUMP TOO!!!!" as some sort of bullshit excuse only someone with your lack of intelligence would swallow.
And yet it's only after you dumb fucks falsely claim things only occur under Democrats or Biden does anyone feel the need to point out the truth. Imagine if you just kept your mouth shut and then you wouldn't need to have your ass handed to you in a correction of the facts.
What truth are you referring to? Biden saying "it happened under Trump too" with 0 anything at all to back it up?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
I know you're gullible as fuckall, but are you really that gullible?
This should be hilarious as fuck.
I expanded my vocabulary today. I thought milquetoast was the same thing as a limp biscuit until I googled it. (aka soggy biscuit and not the band)Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Facts? The only facts were "We believe it happened 3 times during the last administration... we didn't tell anyone.. not a single person saw it.. but that is what we believe"Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Jesus fucking Christ.
Didn't 5 days go by without Biden being told in his basement while on vacation? Seems like dereliction of duties, both the military and his.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Violating our airspace was just the beginning. Next thing you know, Russian's will knock down a 32 million dollar reaper drone and collect it... oops! That also happened, under Biden, with no consequence.
DaFuq? Is this for real? Are we letting this happen?
2 Chinese nationals charged with operating a secret police station in NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna80076
6 more illegal Chinese police stations allegedly operating in US including Houston
https://www.fox26houston.com/news/6-...ng-houston.amp
Ho Lee Fuk
I laughed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Reminds of when that dude pranked the news and released the names of the pilots of the plane that crashed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
https://m.youtube.com/shorts/h7CtMmoD5vE
Captain Sum ting wong
Wi tu lo
Ho lee fuk
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In before "iT's TrUmP's FaUlt!!!!!11"Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Thank goodness the Department of Justice was able to help Texas out there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
What the hell do you even mean by that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
The FBI arrested 2 people in NYC. A new report suggests there are more illegal Chinese police stations in various cities across the United States including Houston. The Department of Justice hasn’t done squat (at least so far) to help out Texas.
You do realize Texas is part of the USA and we’re on the same team, right?
Seran is ignoring the New York part because Texas makes him very butthurt, even though he'll never have any need for abortions because he'll never knock a chick up because he'll never get laid, but his TV tells him to say it, so he obeys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
You are talking about Seran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Last picked at everything.
No one wants him on their team.
Except Bhaalizmo, but he's just hoping for some D.