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Originally Posted by Back

Nothing was nationalized. All private businesses remained private but were pressured by the Nazis to build for war. You are a military guy right? Didn't the Nazis focus everything on rebuilding the military as fast as possible while ignoring their debts from WWI?

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You are not too far off with the above, but in reality Nazism is closer to Marxism than it is free market capitalism.

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Article 153 of the Weimar constitution guaranteed private property, with expropriation only to occur within the due process of the law, but this article was nullified by a decree on February 28, 1933.

With this, the new National Socialist government had complete control of private property in Germany. While they did not take complete control of the lands like the Bolsheviks did in Russia in 1917, the Nazis issued quotas for industries and farms, and later they reorganized all industry into corporations run by members of the Nazi Party.

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So the subtle difference is with Nazism the state took a slightly less direct control of seizing the means of production, but still maintained complete control nevertheless. Private property wasn’t outright abolished but it had to serve the interest of the state or else be subjected to seizure. Nazi party leaders served on the board of every major corporation.

Both communists/socialists and fascists controlled every aspect of its citizens’ lives. Both prioritized the community over the individual.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

I'm using YOUR terms. You called the US a socialist democracy. How is Nazi Germany not a socialist state in comparison?

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The United States today is far more socialist than the Nazis ever were. I would think that was pretty obvious. The Nazis were just entirely focused on war and racial superiority. That motivated their fascist government to direct/bully the private sector into achieving their military buildup.

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Originally Posted by Back

The United States today is far more socialist than the Nazis ever were. I would think that was pretty obvious. The Nazis were just entirely focused on war and racial superiority. That motivated their fascist government to direct/bully the private sector into achieving their military buildup.

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What is socialism Back? It has a very simple and clear definition. Let me help you:

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a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

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That means of production part is very important. Now which country had greater central government economic control: Nazi Germany or today’s United States of America?

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Originally Posted by Back

Why don't you act like an adult and not strawman every post? Surely you can see that there is an imbalance that could be corrected to make millions more people comfortable? We're already a socialist democracy. You approve of police, roads, social security, a military (which itself is very socialist in operation), subsidies for farmers, subsidies for industry and so on.

Why do you consistently overstate my position then get hostile about it? I never said give up private property ever. You're shouting at imaginary ghosts in your head.

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Hey didn’t you just say something about by your logic we need to round up all the white men in this country? Of course you can’t correlate and see your own hypocrisy because you have no self awareness. I’m just playing your game.

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Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet

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Hey didn’t you just say something about by your logic we need to round up all the white men in this country?

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He would be safe from this round up....

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Originally Posted by Back

The United States today is far more socialist than the Nazis ever were. I would think that was pretty obvious. The Nazis were just entirely focused on war and racial superiority. That motivated their fascist government to direct/bully the private sector into achieving their military buildup.

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You have yet to say how it is. You said the US is socialist because it uses tax dollars to fund "police, roads, social security, a military (which itself is very socialist in operation), subsidies for farmers, subsidies for industry and so on". The Nazis funded all of the same shit through tax dollars. By your OWN DEFINITION they are socialist.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

You have yet to say how it is. You said the US is socialist because it uses tax dollars to fund "police, roads, social security, a military (which itself is very socialist in operation), subsidies for farmers, subsidies for industry and so on". The Nazis funded all of the same shit through tax dollars. By your OWN DEFINITION they are socialist.

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Sure, less so than we are currently, but the difference is the Nazi party used Germany's social programs as a political tool whereas here it's genuinely meant for the welfare of every American not just certain people or one party.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

"State centered capitalism"?

Is that a term socialists and communists made up after a socialist/communist state failed so they can say "That wasn't REAL socialism/communism"?

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It's like when car dealers started saying "preowned" instead of "used." But with exponentially more stupidity.

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Originally Posted by Back

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Now replace "Argentina" with "Ukraine" and replace "$20 billion" with "$300 billion" and watch how quickly you rush to tell us how that's okay because it's d-d-d-d-(D)ifferent!!!!