2016 Election Prediction Thread

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Originally Posted by drauz

I disagree with the bolded part.

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The recent I'm talking about is about 10-15 years before our time, which really isn't distant enough to be called distant. Things like the Stonewall Riots, and the Tuskeegee Experiment (which didn't end until 1972). Things that are -just- outside of our radar because we're primarily 80s kids. We grew up and our experience was largely our parents reassuring us that our grandparents were "just from a different time". We had our time in the 90s when everything was "gay" and "faggy" and then we stopped using those words because we rose above it. We didn't really start becoming progressive about any minority rights until the 1960s. Hell, women couldn't even vote until 1920. If you go back to some of our grandparents, we're talking about a time when women weren't able to VOTE for the president, much less become it. Betty White was two years old when women got the vote. If people are still alive today from when it was horrible, then it counts as recent, in my book. And unfortunately, you don't have to look anywhere near back that far to get to some horrible shit.

We absolutely are a very progressive country, but we just don't realize how recent a development that is since for the better part of -our- lives, the progressive part has always been a thing.

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Originally Posted by drauz

I would have started freaking out once I realized I was gay in a muslim family.

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No doubt there.


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Heck, it was illegal to be gay in 14 states until the Supreme Court overturned it in 2003. 2003.. Now we're talking about having a Vice President in favor of conversion therapy, a President who courted certain groups of voters by skirting the line of intolerance with some questionable rhetoric, and what is it, 3 Supreme Court appointments coming up? When you take all the evidence, and again, I don't feel that the sky is falling at all, I think it's completely justified for certain minority groups to be afraid.

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Originally Posted by drauz

Just what everyone wants, to be on a government list.

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Meh. At this point, businesses know where I am, what I do, how often I jerk off, and which fetishes to show me for next time in my targeted advertisements. My bank knows who pays me, how often, and how much money I've got. A trial in which I had a vested interest got a ton of its damning evidence from which cell phone towers the cell phones owned by the persons in question had activated, and when, whose data was confirmed by a credit report from the banks to the phone companies who supplied the state with the evidence it needed. If the state had wanted to know if anyone was jerking off at the time, Verizon could have linked them the URLs.

We're on enough lists. One more isn't going to hurt, especially when it's one that could theoretically help everyone, if implemented properly.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

The recent I'm talking about is about 10-15 years before our time, which really isn't distant enough to be called distant. Things like the Stonewall Riots, and the Tuskeegee Experiment (which didn't end until 1972). Things that are -just- outside of our radar because we're primarily 80s kids. We grew up and our experience was largely our parents reassuring us that our grandparents were "just from a different time". We had our time in the 90s when everything was "gay" and "faggy" and then we stopped using those words because we rose above it. We didn't really start becoming progressive about any minority rights until the 1960s. Hell, women couldn't even vote until 1920. If you go back to some of our grandparents, we're talking about a time when women weren't able to VOTE for the president, much less become it. Betty White was two years old when women got the vote. If people are still alive today from when it was horrible, then it counts as recent, in my book. And unfortunately, you don't have to look anywhere near back that far to get to some horrible shit.

We absolutely are a very progressive country, but we just don't realize how recent a development that is since for the better part of -our- lives, the progressive part has always been a thing.

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Do you realize that all men didn't get the right to vote until 1856 (I think thats the year or its pretty close to it)? We are talking about a difference of 60 years between all men and all women getting the right to vote. Everyone seems to think that ALL white men could vote throughout the US history.

Prior to 1920 women's suffrage, woman land owners could vote as well.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

Meh. At this point, businesses know where I am, what I do, how often I jerk off, and which fetishes to show me for next time in my targeted advertisements. My bank knows who pays me, how often, and how much money I've got. A trial in which I had a vested interest got a ton of its damning evidence from which cell phone towers the cell phones owned by the persons in question had activated, and when, whose data was confirmed by a credit report from the banks to the phone companies who supplied the state with the evidence it needed. If the state had wanted to know if anyone was jerking off at the time, Verizon could have linked them the URLs.

We're on enough lists. One more isn't going to hurt, especially when it's one that could theoretically help everyone, if implemented properly.

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Learn to incognito mode!

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Originally Posted by drauz

Do you realize that all men didn't get the right to vote until 1856 (I think thats the year or its pretty close to it)? We are talking about a difference of 60 years between all men and all women getting the right to vote. Everyone seems to think that ALL white men could vote throughout the US history.

Prior to 1920 women's suffrage, woman land owners could vote as well.

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Sure, of course. And hey, progress is progress, but I don't think anybody would buy me making arguments based on civil war era laws. Like I said, I go by what people who are alive today were alive to witness, and you don't need to go back to 1920 to get to some horrible stuff. I was just editing my other post up there when you responded, so I'll put it here instead:


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Heck, it was illegal to be gay in 14 states until the Supreme Court overturned it in 2003. 2003.. Now we're talking about having a Vice President in favor of conversion therapy, a President who courted certain groups of voters by skirting the line of intolerance with some questionable rhetoric, and what is it, 3 Supreme Court appointments coming up? When you take all the evidence, and again, I don't feel that the sky is falling at all, I think it's completely justified for certain minority groups to be afraid.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

Meh. At this point, businesses know where I am, what I do, how often I jerk off, and which fetishes to show me for next time in my targeted advertisements. My bank knows who pays me, how often, and how much money I've got. A trial in which I had a vested interest got a ton of its damning evidence from which cell phone towers the cell phones owned by the persons in question had activated, and when, whose data was confirmed by a credit report from the banks to the phone companies who supplied the state with the evidence it needed. If the state had wanted to know if anyone was jerking off at the time, Verizon could have linked them the URLs.

We're on enough lists. One more isn't going to hurt, especially when it's one that could theoretically help everyone, if implemented properly.

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These are all contracts you entered into knowing full well what they could do with your data. Someone making a law isn't me freely entering into a contract to have my data. That is a HUGE difference.

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Originally Posted by Shaps

The one thing I will take issue with is the concept when you said.. "Is it a sin here that we didn't force him to go to a strange country to live on his own anyway". I don't consider it a sin, but it is illegal. Living apart from any loved one is tough, but people persevere (spelling?).

I spent nearly 7 years overseas, away from family and friends. It was my choice. It was a sacrifice I was willing to make in order to achieve what I wanted out of life. Your family had a choice and sacrifice to make, in order to get what you wanted too. So your argument about the "sacrifice" of living apart from a loved one for a few years, doesn't really sway me in this argument. EVERYONE makes sacrifices for what they want for themselves and their family. It is universal, so don't think your family is unique in that regards.

That goes to the heart of what I'm saying to you. NO ONE wishes harm on you or your family, but EVERYONE makes sacrifices and decisions in their life to get what they want or need out of life.

Again, I wish you and your family all the best. Just don't be so blind to others thoughts or trivialize what they have had to do in life to survive. Ya know?

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Do me a favor- don't act like the horrible situation we're in is somehow inevitable. You can dismiss the pain, you can act like a fun overseas romp of your own volition is akin to the fear of having your family ripped apart to placate the masses, and you can hypocritically mansplain to me about sacrifices you will never understand.

But don't you dare do all of that and have the nerve to say you wish my family well.

Because you don't.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

Heck, it was illegal to be gay in 14 states until the Supreme Court overturned it in 2003. 2003.. Now we're talking about having a Vice President in favor of conversion therapy, a President who courted certain groups of voters by skirting the line of intolerance with some questionable rhetoric, and what is it, 3 Supreme Court appointments coming up? When you take all the evidence, and again, I don't feel that the sky is falling at all, I think it's completely justified for certain minority groups to be afraid.

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My point was that it wasn't that long after all men got the right to vote that women got the right to vote. It was within one persons lifetime.

Are you forgetting Clinton once had similar views about gay marriage just over 10 years ago? We had shitty candidates on both sides.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I1-r1YgK9I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkK2_6H9MM

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Originally Posted by drauz

These are all contracts you entered into knowing full well what they could do with your data. Someone making a law isn't me freely entering into a contract to have my data. That is a HUGE difference.

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Sure, that's a fair point. What I mean by my example though is that all the information anyone could ever need about us is already out there to be had and asked for nicely by the government from the companies that have it already, and more often than not, the companies are more than happy to cooperate. We all gave up our right to privacy the minute we bought a smartphone or signed up for facebook, or god forbid, put facebook on our smartphones. That's a twofer. Damage done. If I could put my name on a list to ensure that my gun was tracked in case it were ever stolen and used in a crime, that's a government list I want to be on. You don't have to agree. It's just an opinion I have. Not sayin' it's the best one. It's just mine.

Edit: To respond to your other post (trying to condense it down to one post at at time. haha), don't even get me started on Hillary. There's a reason I didn't vote for her, and it had nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative. I suspect she is a lizard person approximating the mannerisms of a human in order to say whatever is necessary to get elected, and then lay her eggs in the white house, and, after appropriate gestation, her thousands of scaly young would spew forth to devour our children whole.