Things that you have taken seriously today (Political version)

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

We can have a lot more nicer things if we stop paying poor people to not be poor since it doesn't work. We have literally been doing the same thing since the 60 and it doesn't work and yet here you and others are wanting to do it more. It's like the stupid argument that real socialism hasn't been tried. Well, we have tried it, we have bankrupted our country doing it and you argue not to stop doing it.

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Socialism has been tried and it works wonderfully. One only has to look at every 1st world country to point out socialisms success's. The 2008 financial crisis would have been a nightmare without our aging safety net, this can't even be argued.

Sloth isn't the only deadly sin.

It's literally build one less bomb and house 100 families instead. For 1250 bombs we could house 500,000 people. We dropped 7,400 bombs in Afghanistan in 2019 alone. We could have housed millions of poor people for 3-4 generations for the cost of the bombs that literally got us nothing.

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Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~

Because we are going to have a crash, without us buying their shit, something like 15+ percent of their economy collapses. That doesn't take into account any other western economic woes nor us defaulting on debt and ceasing interest payments as well as halting banking and so on to them. Is there an economy on the planet that can withstand that much shrink at once? Ours nearly collapsed when it happened to us and we had a lot less people to feed than we do now and they have insane amounts more people. India is in nearly the same boat.

And because like Japan, they have a growing segment of young population that doesn't want to work like their parents did.

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They can survive 15% shrinkage in their economy. You know why? Because their 15 trillion GDP is nearly double their national debt, and they don't care about their citizens starving.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Socialism has been tried and it works wonderfully.

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Venezuela just called.. they think you are an idiot. This was a conference call with India, Israel and Britain and they were all in agreement.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

Venezuela just called.. they think you are an idiot. This was a conference call with India, Israel and Britain and they were all in agreement.

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Socialism is on the other line, do you want me to thank them for your education?

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

It's literally build one less bomb and house 100 families instead. For 1250 bombs we could house 500,000 people. We dropped 7,400 bombs in Afghanistan in 2019 alone. We could have housed millions of poor people for 3-4 generations for the cost of the bombs that literally got us nothing.

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Well said.

I would agree with a lot of folks that a strong, innovative military to protect ourselves is vital. I don't believe that it means utilizing the military by intervening in the affairs of other countries without clear goals, a reasonable chance of lasting success and a clear exit strategy. America has had three decade plus long wars, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. One might argue that North Korea belongs there to given the armistice, but I'll limit to the three.

Of the named above, only Iraq has had a lasting positive effect. But even that is tenuous, their government is weak and growing more anti-America by the year. Yes, we have stomped out terrorism in the Middle East, but really that was accomplished within the first year in both Iraq and Afghanistan. By staying in both countries, by the prolonged Vietnam farce, our country really only has created massive amounts of debt and casualties.

I think it's time for isolationism to become our primary interest for a few decades. Make our country the beacon of freedom, success, stability and innovation. Make our shores impenetrable and make sure that basic services like food/shelter/medical are available for all, without subsidizing their bad habits beyond that.

Honestly, PB. You are a perfect example of how socialism does work. You obtained the most valuable asset in acquiring wealth, you're education, by means of socialism.

You own your own business, which usually means you do something that you enjoy for a living. That's ultimately the goal of our public education system and you're living proof that it works.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

Honestly, PB. You are a perfect example of how socialism does work. You obtained the most valuable asset in acquiring wealth, you're education, by means of socialism.

You own your own business, which usually means you do something that you enjoy for a living. That's ultimately the goal of our public education system and you're living proof that it works.

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College educations are the furthest thing from socialism that you could imagine.

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Originally Posted by Seran

Well said.

I would agree with a lot of folks that a strong, innovative military to protect ourselves is vital. I don't believe that it means utilizing the military by intervening in the affairs of other countries without clear goals, a reasonable chance of lasting success and a clear exit strategy. America has had three decade plus long wars, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. One might argue that North Korea belongs there to given the armistice, but I'll limit to the three.

Of the named above, only Iraq has had a lasting positive effect. But even that is tenuous, their government is weak and growing more anti-America by the year. Yes, we have stomped out terrorism in the Middle East, but really that was accomplished within the first year in both Iraq and Afghanistan. By staying in both countries, by the prolonged Vietnam farce, our country really only has created massive amounts of debt and casualties.

I think it's time for isolationism to become our primary interest for a few decades. Make our country the beacon of freedom, success, stability and innovation. Make our shores impenetrable and make sure that basic services like food/shelter/medical are available for all, without subsidizing their bad habits beyond that.

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Both sides of the isle get in the way and it's mostly for corporate interests. Environmental extremists piss me off nearly as much as bomb makers.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

College educations are the furthest thing from socialism that you could imagine.

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That's not even true and I know you know better than that. My states highest paid government employee is the head coach of the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Iowa Hawkeyes are ranked #5 in the nation. All those players came from high school athletic programs.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

That's not even true and I know you know better than that. My states highest paid government employee is the head coach of the Iowa Hawkeyes.

Iowa Hawkeyes are ranked #5 in the nation. All those players came from high school athletic programs.

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And his salary is paid for from the athletics department funds, which come from ESPN and ticket and concessions. Not the state or taxes. If Iowa made jack shit from football, he'd make jack shit for salary.

That being said, I'm talking about the STUDENT costs. It isn't free to go to college.