Russia Investigation Heating Up

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Originally Posted by RichardCranium

I know that you know that I know. I was just trolling cwolff. The ONLY reason I wouldn't want Trump impeached is Pence, and that's not enough for me to sit here and tell anyone I don't think Trump is absolutely capable of the these things.

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I wouldn't be worried about Pence if Trump was removed before his term ended, as he'd effectively be the lamest of lame ducks with a highly invigorated Democratic voter base. There's not much he'd be able to do, especially if Dems take the House in 99 days.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

There has been an insane amount of circumstantial evidence for some time now, and yes, circumstantial evidence is used in criminal cases all the time.

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Does don jr exchanging emails with Russians about dirt on hillary Clinton and then meeting in person to get that information count as circumstantial, or does the fall squarely in the collusion area?

Hard to know what actually constitutes as collusion these days. Rudy G and foxnews move the goalposts every few hours.

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Originally Posted by SHAFT

Does don jr exchanging emails with Russians about dirt on hillary Clinton and then meeting in person to get that information count as circumstantial, or does the fall squarely in the collusion area?

Hard to know what actually constitutes as collusion these days. Rudy G and foxnews move the goalposts every few hours.

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That meeting is straight up conspiracy. Jr is fucked.

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Originally Posted by Androidpk

That meeting is straight up conspiracy. Jr is fucked.

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Right. The evidence has been there for some time now. The fact that Trump and the conservative press have been saying "There's no evidence of collusion" for the past few years has had plenty of people brainwashed enough to believe it, but it has always been nothing more than crude gaslighting.

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Originally Posted by cwolff

I don't think they can convict him of collusion and I don't mean to be a stickler but we're having all kinds of issues here with the "collusion is not a crime" thing. My preference is that we can use the word collusion as an umbrella term which encapsulates conspiracy, bribery, and all kinds of other acts illegal acts which make up collusion without arguing the definitions anymore. In your opinion, is that ok? I'm not going to put words in your mouth here, but I think that's what you've just said.

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Well technically you can be impeached for anything. SCOTUS would probably be VERY wary of wading into that battle, and barring that there's no actual check on impeachment proceedings.

So we don't need to stick to strict juridical terms when it comes to hypothetical impeachment.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Right. The evidence has been there for some time now. The fact that Trump and the conservative press have been saying "There's no evidence of collusion" for the past few years has had plenty of people brainwashed enough to believe it, but it has always been nothing more than crude gaslighting.

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The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

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Originally Posted by SHAFT

The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

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Grassley says no. He says that if Don Jr. lied it's criminal and a matter for law enforcement not the congress.

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Originally Posted by time4fun

Well technically you can be impeached for anything. SCOTUS would probably be VERY wary of wading into that battle, and barring that there's no actual check on impeachment proceedings.

So we don't need to stick to strict juridical terms when it comes to hypothetical impeachment.

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On the PC these things are important. They'll argue about the meaning of a fiddle vs a violin while Rome burns. Otherwise our discussions would be 75% shorter

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Originally Posted by SHAFT

The members of the cult believe it. We have a few members here on the PC...

I don’t see how Jr isn’t screwed. He lied to Congress, too. I guess we’ll see if he’s brought back to testify again.

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Lying to Congress is the least of his problems right now.