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Do you ask for a "how medicine works" manual when you go to the doctor? Come on man. What conspiracy or scam could there possibly be? Yeah, a conspiracy to save ourselves a lot of heartache and destruction. Thats going to save us money in the long run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Laviticas
We still lead the world in a lot of ways. We've also been the main contributor for a long time. We led on industrialization we can lead on the post industrial era too. Certainly countries like China and India aren't going to get serious about it until we do. They can always just point to us and say that they are trying to only catch/keep up. There's a lot to learn by investing in green technology more. Look at all the stuff we got from NASA and, let's be honest, there's no real reason to fly to the moon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I'm not sure what this means... Do you mean the "cosmos" could destroy our planet with a fluke asteroid? Sure, maybe, but why design your future on whether you get run over tomorrow?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
And your so-called "holocene extinction period"... you realize that most of that is due to the human effect, right?
We also have supervolcanoes on our planet ready to fuck up everything we know as civilization at anytime. I believe we do make an impact. I'm not denying that. I just feel it is very insignificant compared to what our planet does. One volcano can spit out more in one hour then we have done in a century. And this has happened before.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Yes, all these countries that burn fossil fuels will suddenly stop and spend 3-4X as much money for power just because we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Even you can't be that naive.
Fine. I can get on board with at least a little bit of that. Question though: Can we get the Government out of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies who received taxpayer dollars:
Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
Solyndra ($535 million)*
Beacon Power ($43 million)*
Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
SunPower ($1.2 billion)
First Solar ($1.46 billion)
Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
Amonix ($5.9 million)
Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
Abound Solar ($400 million)*
A123 Systems ($279 million)*
Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
Johnson Controls ($299 million)
Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
ECOtality ($126.2 million)
Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
Range Fuels ($80 million)*
Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
GreenVolts ($500,000)
Vestas ($50 million)
LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
Navistar ($39 million)
Satcon ($3 million)*
Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)
*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.
Is it because they are green companies or because they get money? Cause the list of companies that get money is a whole hell of a lot longer than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjasLeadTheWay
His issue is that solar energy isn't profitable without government help compared to other sources. Didn't we go over this some other place? Or was it earlier in this thread?Quote:
Originally Posted by Back
http://youtu.be/oEfaFGDcbCcQuote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Man, I forgot how much of a gremlin-y, punchable face that kid had. I think I finally understand why everyone was out to get him.