Script Checks

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Originally Posted by BLZrizz

This reasoning ability is certainly consistent with what you’re demonstrated in the thread, thanks.

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LOL. You're just mad you got caught running an MA crew in the Pipe Den while bitching about MA crews ruining the Pipe Den.

Get back to "lobbying behind the scenes." IE: I send Discord messages to GM's whining about Glaves having a better MA crew than me.

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Originally Posted by SonoftheNorth

Slippery slope. There is an AFK scripting instance of the game. Shattered. They can play that. Botting is against policy if they should change that based on money where does that stop? So if someone who pays 10,000 USD every event decides they don't want you to play anymore they should ban you from the game? They decide they want to be able to say the N word that should be allowed? Where does it end? Spending money on gear doesn't give you a permit to rewrite policy and it shouldn't. They should start giving out warnings to players who try to use how much money they spend to get special treatment. You wanna break the rules you gotta be willing to take the punishment. Don't like policy? Don't play.

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I don't disagree with the non-hyperbolic parts, but at the same time, GS would literally just die if the whales left. It's already a miracle the game still exists at all.

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Originally Posted by BLZrizz

Random environmental effects, RT locks, (more) diminishing returns on treasure for linked accounts to discourage area strip mining, more in-depth script checks, more penalties across all linked accounts for AFK scripting infractions, etc. Things that don't significantly encumber those that hunt solo/manual but would be a pain to do for multiple characters. Basically what makes the scatter a pain in the ass for MA teams, do the same for other grounds where the rest of people are basically forced due to seniority.

Also modifying the definition/interpretation of AFK scripting to include multi account botting and not just being completely unresponsive (essentially change "apparent" to "actual" responsiveness to the gaming environment). It'a a fiction that someone can be 100% actually responsive to the game over multiple instances and not just using mechanical means to convey that.

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Just remember...any nerfs to MA groups are also nerfs to group play in general.

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Originally Posted by drumpel

I come across scripters all the time, most have decent scripts running and don't interfere with my gameplay. There are a few here and there that have shitty scripts running and they go about attacking critters that I'm already fighting. If it happens once, I ask them not to do it again without asking to help and I let it go, if it happens again, I resort to AOE spells to give them RT, if it happens a third time (which it hasn't reached that point for me yet) I report them.

Occasionally I'll find someone running some kind of script - trying to buy herbs or maybe trying to visit shops to build up citizenship status maybe, either way the player will run into the shop, not have enough silver and run out to the bank and repeat this over and over and over and over and over and over and over.....I try to interact with them asking if they need help, but it falls on deaf ears and they run in and out over and over and over and over..... So I resort to dragging them to another room in the shop (behind a curtain or door) and they get stuck there. If their group isn't open, I just report them.

I still hunt by hand - type out most commands so I'm actively watching and it surprises me when I get a helping hand (knocked down, stunned) and the person helping actual interacts with me (not just runs in, pulls me to my feet and runs off) or if I stop to help someone in that situation they actually respond and not just finish killing and run off to continue their script.

Those that want to script as much as they possibly can, go for it, just try to be courteous to others around you, even if you think they're just an AFK zombie. At least that's what I'd try to do. If I have gems to sing to I find a spot that no one else visits or a table. I don't want to be spamming everyone else with my mindless, repetitive tasks.

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I regularly run into scripters (not sure who, but same area almost daily) who are apparently almost always full and can't hold anymore, so they just leave tons of boxes and gems and other loot on the ground all over the place that I'll scoop up behind them.

Good times.



EDIT: Exhibit A from just now:

[Sanctum Tower, First Floor - 25237 - 25237] (u4216029)
Age-worn brass and copper spears are shackled inside of an elongated crystalline case in an elegant formation amid a varied assortment of ancient coins and tools. Erupting in sporadic intervals from the periphery, a quivering hiss rises to a fever pitch and is quickly silenced by a reverberating thud. A lengthy, gently curving path cuts cleanly through the leftover gritty rubble of a crumbling sandstone wall. You also see a cloudy alexandrite shard, a black opal, a white-point star diamond, a polished bloodwood wand and a tiny white pearl.
Obvious exits: north, southwest



Thanks for the free loot, mystery tard. :lol:

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Originally Posted by Methais

I regularly run into scripters (not sure who, but same area almost daily) who are apparently almost always full and can't hold anymore, so they just leave tons of boxes and gems and other loot on the ground all over the place that I'll scoop up behind them.

Good times.



EDIT: Exhibit A from just now:

[Sanctum Tower, First Floor - 25237 - 25237] (u4216029)
Age-worn brass and copper spears are shackled inside of an elongated crystalline case in an elegant formation amid a varied assortment of ancient coins and tools. Erupting in sporadic intervals from the periphery, a quivering hiss rises to a fever pitch and is quickly silenced by a reverberating thud. A lengthy, gently curving path cuts cleanly through the leftover gritty rubble of a crumbling sandstone wall. You also see a cloudy alexandrite shard, a black opal, a white-point star diamond, a polished bloodwood wand and a tiny white pearl.
Obvious exits: north, southwest



Thanks for the free loot, mystery tard. :lol:

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I think those might be service farmers who just care to get their weekly exp dose and can't be assed to deal with loot.

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Originally Posted by Rjex

I think those might be service farmers who just care to get their weekly exp dose and can't be assed to deal with loot.

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I'm totally okay with that.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Just remember...any nerfs to MA groups are also nerfs to group play in general.

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Fair point, but I think the key is tagging linked accounts, and groups that aren't tagged as linked accounts don't suffer the effects of the hypothesized/proposed "MA penalty."

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Originally Posted by BLZrizz

Fair point, but I think the key is tagging linked accounts, and groups that aren't tagged as linked accounts don't suffer the effects of the hypothesized/proposed "MA penalty."

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Simu will do this right after they stop selling high end items for cash.

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Originally Posted by Methais

I don't disagree with the non-hyperbolic parts, but at the same time, GS would literally just die if the whales left. It's already a miracle the game still exists at all.

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It's possible there's some whales out there that aren't running MA crews, but all the MA crews are whales.

They also haven't made any significant policy updates in a long time. The current policy doesn't reflect the current meta.

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Originally Posted by BLZrizz

Fair point, but I think the key is tagging linked accounts, and groups that aren't tagged as linked accounts don't suffer the effects of the hypothesized/proposed "MA penalty."

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While I agree with you that people who script or MA should be cognizant of their surroundings and try to limit the impact they have on other players the idea of penalizing MAers is just ridiculous. If people want to play the game with multiple accounts it's their money as long as they aren't being disruptive more power to them. If I have 5 accounts in 1 hunting ground and unlink them from a group and hunt them individually does that drastically improve your game play?

I'm kind of getting sick of this "How does it affect you?" defense that keeps getting thrown around to try and excuse various broken systems. People love to use it to defend P2W and crap too. And when you tell them exactly how it negatively impacts you, they just make excuses.

I will admit that I personally use multiple accounts. But I hunt solo (and manually), except for the rare occasion I might have one of my capped dudes tag along while I do bandits, though they don't participate in any way. They exist to give me spells, charge my items, etc..

But I can think of several reasons why these types of things have a negative impact on my gameplay. The big ones were already mentioned here, but it goes beyond that as far as the economy is concerned. Even if you don't hunt where they do, it's still leading to more inflation as more silvers are being generated because of it.

Another huge problem I used to have with massive MA parties, was when I was near capped/fresh capped. Almost all of my deaths at that time were due to the swarms caused by a certain MAing player, and I died MUCH MUCH MUCH more frequently because of it. It was seriously a hellish nightmare for me, because it was the only capped area at the time besides the rift, and I couldn't hunt the rift easily back then because of the spell stripping pool. In fact it was what forced me to get my first MA character, to be able to give myself spells so I could actually survive.

It also sucks that you can never interact with people in a hunting ground, though that's largely a Bigshot issue in general.

Sadly, like I say often about Bigshot - a lot of these things are like a cancer. Sure, would I prefer to not have cancer in my liver? Obviously. But if they remove the cancer I'll probably die, so I'm stuck with it while it slowly kills me. But it still pisses me off when people ask me how the cancer is actually harming me!