Michigan DA politicizing school shooting tragedy by charging parents

I'm willing to have an open mind about all of this and if more evidence comes out that the parents knew their son was having suicidal/homicidal thoughts then they should be on the hook.

If all the DA has is the parents first learned about their son having mental issues was when they were notified by the school an hour before the shooting then I think these charges are political bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

From what I understand the meeting and shooting all happened the same day, I think even within an hour.

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Perhaps I misread that, then. It was my understanding that it was the day prior.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

From what I understand the meeting and shooting all happened the same day, I think even within an hour.

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Yep, I misread the article the first time. I thought the meeting was the day before, it was just the first red flag and mom minimizing it.

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Originally Posted by Sighisoara

Perhaps I misread that, then. It was my understanding that it was the day prior.

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So I just looked it up to be sure:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/8850669002/

The internet search for bullets wasn't on the same day as the shooting, but the drawing and meeting with the parents was on the same day as the shooting. That's part of the DA's loose reasoning for charging the parents is because they didn't immediately pull their son out of school, even though the school counselor said their son should get some professional counseling within 48 hours. The school could have just as easily expelled him right there on the spot if they felt the shooter was a danger to other students.

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Originally Posted by beldannon5

the wisconsin guy is saying he is being treated terribly. I hope so. Keep it up

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It's because the jail staff keeps calling him an SUV.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

So I just looked it up to be sure:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/8850669002/

The internet search for bullets wasn't on the same day as the shooting, but the drawing and meeting with the parents was on the same day as the shooting. That's part of the DA's loose reasoning for charging the parents is because they didn't immediately pull their son out of school, even though the school counselor said their son should get some professional counseling within 48 hours. The school could have just as easily expelled him right there on the spot if they felt the shooter was a danger to other students.

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Or the parents, understanding that their son was drawing dead people and a gun could have taken him out of school and maybe talked to him. I'm in the camp that the parents know their son/daughter more than anyone else and should be responsible.

They would likely have a problem expelling him on the spot as that can only be done for disciplinary reasons and I’m guessing none of those things rose to the level of an expulsion/suspension. Public school student handbooks usually always specify the rules and punishments for violations. What I would expect is they assign the kid to online only lessons and send his ass home with a laptop if he doesn’t already have access to one.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Or the parents, understanding that their son was drawing dead people and a gun could have taken him out of school and maybe talked to him.

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If they knew their son had some mental problems then absolutely. But if this was the first they were hearing about anything disturbing he was doing then it's kind of unfair to say they should have known. The school teacher, principal, and counselor should be held legally liable if we're going by these standards.

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Originally Posted by Sighisoara

They would likely have a problem expelling him on the spot as that can only be done for disciplinary reasons and I’m guessing none of those things rose to the level of an expulsion/suspension. Public school student handbooks usually always specify the rules and punishments for violations. What I would expect is they assign the kid to online only lessons and send his ass home with a laptop if he doesn’t already have access to one.

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I find it extremely unlikely that the school doesn't have the power to immediately suspend or expel a student if they have reason to believe he will harm other students. At the very least they have the power to send him home that day.

If schools don't have this power then they need to immediately be given this power.

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Originally Posted by Sighisoara

I agree that the parents made some exceptionally poor choices. Based on the article I read, the principal did, too. Let’s say you’re the principal of this school who is charged with the welfare of all individuals on the campus. You have multiple employees raise concerns that a kid is making general, non-specific death threats and the kid is throwing red flags of a mental health problem at best or crisis at worst. It’s so concerning that you put the student with the school counselor (who may or may not be trained to handle this) and summon the parents to the school and tell them to get the kid into professional counseling within 48 hours. You’re going to let that kid remain on campus and return prior to getting with a professional?

Maybe I’m crazy, but that seems to be just as negligent.

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Just what law do you think exists in Michigan do you think exists that allows a school official to expel a child "on gut instinct". We've got the right and the left persecuting law enforcement for enforcing mask and vaccine mandates, we've got the left marching whenever a teenager is forcibly detained when they're committing felony assault, then we've got 17 year olds showing up to active riots with assault rifles thinking they're going to be patriots. And getting away with it.

School officials are required to save the world with miniscule funding, highly restrictive laws, no tolerance for discipline from parents who could use the same or worse and a populace on both sides ready to overreact to everything.

No, this little fucker was allowed easy access to a gun of not outright given it altogether. His parents completely delegated all responsibility to his school and mommy dearest shows all the signs through her text of knowing he intended on doing it on the first place.

No, absolutely no, those parents being hauled into jail while additional charges are pending is ABSOLUTELY the right thing to do. We've had yet another mass shooting in a country with a country with way too many firearms and way too little self discipline.

The principle should be hailed as a hero for doing everything they could within the law. That this happened minutes after the parents were summoned and abandoned their armed son in school shows just how right their instincts were.

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Originally Posted by Seran

The principle should be hailed as a hero for doing everything they could within the law.

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Fuck off you little fucker.

So the principal is a hero for doing nothing but the parents are murderers for doing nothing? The school is responsible for the safety of ALL students at school. If they truly felt the shooter was a danger to other students then they absolutely have an obligation to do something to keep the other students safe.

Saying the school gets a pass from their duties because the parents didn't take him home is complete bullshit.

Either every adult involved in this situation is guilty of a crime or no one is guilty, otherwise it's just partisan politics bullshit. I smelled the partisan bullshit the minute I read the DA was charging him with terrorism even before the police had a motive. Having a motive is like the biggest part of charging someone with terrorism.