This reads as, "Nnnngh, my sources are more credible than yours because they support my inane argument and yours prove me wrong."Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
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This reads as, "Nnnngh, my sources are more credible than yours because they support my inane argument and yours prove me wrong."Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
You do the same thing so it evens out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seran
Bend the truth? You literally linked 7 people out of 535 members of Congress. You believe that the entire Republican Party became the Democrat Party and vica versa because 1% of the members switched parties, leaving 99% of them in the same party. How do you work out the math in your head to make this dramatic "party switch" actually match reality?Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
But let's look at your 7 examples:
Was never elected to Congress. He tried in 1978, but was not nominated.
Was not in Congress during the magical party switch in 1964. She left in 1962. So while she was in Congress, she was always a Democrat.
No matter how many times you link the same guy.. he was never in Congress.
YOU NAILED IT! HERE IS ACTUALLY ONE PERSON FROM CONGRESS THAT MEETS YOUR MAGICAL PARTY SWITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done!
I'm going to even give this one to you. The Wikipedia page is rather confusing, but it looks like he supported Goldwater for President and was stripped of his power by the Democrats in his state, so he was forced to go Republican.
He was elected in 1964 as a Republican. He was elected as a Judge in 1956 as a Democrat (do Judges have party affiliations today?) and left the bench in 1958 and went into private business before running for Congress.
So, in Congress, he was always a Republican.
Crazy that there are still some special people that believe that if 2 people out of 535 in Congress switched parties, then there is a magical "everyone switched parties"Quote:
Probably more. Crazy how so many switched in 1964... Almost like something happened around there...
Who knew that .4 % of the members of Congress had this much power.... almost like something happened in 1964 that one party is embarrassed about (and rightfully should be) and will make up any bullshit to cleanse their history of racism and sexism.
You: They didn't switch sidesQuote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
Me: Here are a bunch of Dixiecrats that switched sides
You: Like I said no one switched sides
Ok, guy.
I am literally showing you all the Dixiecrats that switched to the Republican party right after the Civil Rights Act was introduced, but you just keep living the lie.
Also Rocktard:
https://i.imgur.com/h8kAbTB.png
Whatever makes you feel good being wrong dude. Facts are facts and PB put more time into it than you are worth to point out piece by piece how you are utterly and totally wrong. Have a nice evening, or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
You are better than this, the "South" is like less than 100 representatives or at least right around there. Here are some more for you though. So that takes the % to more like 10-15%. Crazy how that's higher than your % when you actually look at actual numbers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
John Tower left the Democrats in the early 1950s and won election as the first GOP senator in the modern South. Tower spoke out against civil rights, joined with S. Dems to plot filibusters, and voted against the Civil Rights Act & Voting Rights Act.
Rep. William C. Cramer, the first GOP rep in Florida, for instance, switched from the Democrats in 1949, won election in 1954, urged Ike to withdraw troops from Little Rock in 1957 and voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Rep. Edward Gurney, the second GOP representative in Florida, also abandoned the Democratic Party in the early 1960s, ran for Congress as a Republican in 1962 and won, and then voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Rep. Dave Treen (R-LA) -- protege of legendary segregationist Leander Perez and a 1960 elector for the States Rights Party (a.k.a. "the Dixiecrats") -- switched to the GOP in 1962. He lost a few early races, but then won his seat in 1973 and later became governor in 1980.
Rep. Iris Faircloth Blitch, a segregationist who represented Georgia in Congress as a Democrat from 1955-1962, left the party over civil rights in 1964 and campaigned for Barry Goldwater.
Rep. James D. Martin (R-AL), originally a Democrat, joined the GOP in 1962 & won a House race in 1964. During the Selma protests, he denounced MLK Jr. as a "rabble-rouser who has put on the sheep's clothing of non-violence while he pits race against race, man against law."
Rep. Bill Dickinson (R-AL), originally elected as a Democratic judge, likewise switched to the GOP and made headlines during the Selma-to-Montgomery march. He insisted, from the House floor, that the civil rights marchers were actually a radical group engaged in wild orgies.
Rep. Bo Callaway (R-GA) likewise abandoned the Democrats over civil rights and won a spot as the first Republican congressman from Georgia since Reconstruction. A staunch segregationist, he promised to repeal the Civil Rights Act & then voted against the Voting Rights Act.
Rep. Watson resigned from Congress in 1965 (after voting against the VRA), became a Republican, and retook his old seat in a special election. After he won, he called for investigations into "subversive" civil rights groups.
Thad Cochran -- a lifelong Democrat -- switched to the GOP in 1964 in opposition to the Civil Rights Act. He then went on to head Nixon's Mississippi campaign and then win elections as a congressman and then senator.
Rep. Trent Lott had been an aide to Dixiecrat William Colmer, who stayed a Dem because seniority made him the head of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee. Colmer chose Lott to succeed him in 1972, but had him run as a Republican.
Jesse Helms grew up a Dem, helping Democrat Willis Smith run a race-baiting campaign for a senate seat in 1950. When Helms ran for the Senate on his own in 1972 the former Dem ran as a Republican.
People who switched but didn't win:
Taylor O'Hearn in Louisiana
W.D. Workman in South Carolina
Marshall Parker in South Carolina
In Virginia, Democratic Gov. Mills Godwin, an outspoken leader of the state's Democratic segregationist resistance, switched parties and won re-election as a Republican in 1973.
Some State Legislature switches:
SC Rep. Arthur Ravenel Jr.
SC Rep. Floyd Spence
Texas Rep. Jack Cox
Mississippi Sen. Stanford Morse
Alabama Rep. Albert Goldthwaite
Louisiana Rep. Roderick Miller
South Carolina Sen. Marshall Parker
1968, five of the top officeholders in Georgia switched from the Democrats to the Republicans
I'll see your youtube video and raise you a twitter thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by ~Rocktar~
https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/stat...86257109508096
You: THE PARTIES SWITCHED! HERE ARE 7 EXAMPLES!Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
Me: You posted one twice, and 4 of them were either not in the US Congress or were there as the same party.
You: BUT THE PARTIES SWITCHED!!! I JUST POSTED 7 EXAMPLES!
Me: Even if you use all "7" "examples", you are still basing your entire premise on 1% of the population of Congress to support your argument.
You: YOU CLAIMED NO ONE SWITCHED SIDES!!
Me: What? Show me where I said no one switched sides. You said the entire Republican Party and the Democrat Party switched sides and you are basing that on 1 or 2 guys.
You: THE PARTIES SWITCHED! YOU ARE LIVING A LIE! I AM RIGHT!
So, you want to move from a controlled 535 total population (US Congress in 1964) to any elected official, local, state or federal? You couldn't even produce a 1% number.... if we're talking about total number of elected politicians in the US in 1964.. we're probably looking around a 500,000 in the group. I'll even give you all the "7" you posted earlier.... knock yourself out... now you are down to .0014%Quote:
Originally Posted by drauz
And you think somehow this will make your argument better?
Bro........ I completely understand why you want this to be true. Hell, if I was voting for the party of the KKK, Jim Crow, anti-civil rights and anti-woman suffrage... I would want to come up with an excuse to whitewash (OMGOMGOMG) the history as well.
The first 13 are people in Congress. I added people from other parts of government for emphasis because you would have to be retarded to think it only happened in Congress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
Bro........ I completely understand why you want this to be true. Hell, if I was voting for the party turned into supporters of the KKK and anti-civil rights... I would want to come up with an excuse to whitewash (OMGOMGOMG) the history as well.