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Obama has been changing the law since the day it became a political liability. Waiver this group, waiver that group, delay this, delay that, etc... This is nothing new at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whirlin
And the Republicans only need to let this thing get going.. by 2016 it'll be the big failure it obviously is and they can make the Democrats run on their voting record.
Honestly, I think the worst thing that could happen is the Republicans taking the Senate this year. I personally think if that happens, Hillary WILL run, and likely win. Because they will point out that America doesn't wan Republicans in country of both houses AND the Presidency. Whereas if they don't win the Senate, Hillary may not run at all. Usually people don't like one party in power so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
She has too many skeletons and a record of nothing as Sec. of State.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarvan
She's easily beatable.
This Obamacare just keeps getting better. Keep in mind, it's pretty much brand new and look at all the good it's doing.
It's done such a good job in Kentucky that McConnell's stuck making stupid statements like this.Quote:
TRENTON — The first look at the Affordable Care Act’s impact on New Jersey reveals the percentage of uninsured people is on track to reach its lowest level in nearly a quarter of a century, according to a new report released Thursday by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.
The proportion of uninsured adults decreased 38 percent from September to early March, according to the foundation. That decline is likely to accelerate, knowing that many people waited until the last minute to beat the March 30 enrollment deadline. NJ.COM
He's saying that it's so good he wants to use big government to make the exchanges national and take them away from the states.Quote:
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell wants to repeal the Affordable Care Act, but he would not say Friday what that would mean for the 413,000 Kentuckians who have health insurance through the state's health care exchange.
McConnell told reporters that the fate of Kynect - Kentucky's state-run health insurance exchange - is not linked to the federal health care law. But the exchange would not exist if not for the federal law that created it.
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"What I would have done instead is first of all tear down the walls, the 50 separate silos in which health insurance is controlled, and pit all the health insurance companies against each other in a national competitive market," he said. "Competition almost always works to keep prices down and quality up."
McConnel is also now admitting that we've had a 25% drop in the uninsured rate. Doesn't sound like "destruction" to me.
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Friday, in a joint news conference with fellow Republican U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, McConnell pointed to a report from the Congressional Budget Office that said the Affordable Care Act reduced the number of uninsured people nationwide to 30 million from 40 million.
"What is the cost-benefit ratio of this kind of destruction, the impact on our 16 percent of the economy, to have such a marginal reduction at the end of the day?" he said. "I think people of this state are entitled to know the answer to the question, how do you feel about it?"
Why do you keep repeating that the law is "working" because more people are insured? You do realize it's law now that you have to have insurance, right?
This is like trying to legislate away poverty by making it a crime to be poor.
Just to throw some anecdotal shit your way, I was talking to someone yesterday who said her company told her and her coworkers that because of Obamacare their premiums would increase by 3% every year on their birthday.
Now that's affordable!
Underestimation is clutch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Parkbandit
The VA is such a shining example of government run healthcare... but with Obamacare, things will be much different.........................
Glad you brought that up though I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what you're saying. It sounds like you're saying "The law is only working as intended because it's a law!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Why does it rise on the person's birthday? Does your friend say? I've usually been self employed but I think that all the insurance I've had from employers changes each year on Jan. 1 or whatever the annual enrollment period is. I believe the insurer has to file with the insurance regulator to show what the rates are going to be for the next year.Quote:
The foundation report said that in September, about 21 percent of New Jerseyans age 18-64 were uninsured. It was down to about 13 percent in early March.
"What this tells us is mandates work," said Joel Cantor, director of the Rutgers center, which collaborated with the foundation to analyze survey results from about 450 New Jerseyans. "What we are seeing here that the Affordable Care Act and Medicaid expansion really did crack the affordability barrier for people."
In any case, 3% might not be out of line with what's been happening to rates. I don't know how to do this calculation. What's the annual increase in the numbers from the paragraph below?
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Increases in health insurance premiums have outpaced growth in worker earnings and inflation. Average health insurance premiums paid by employers and employees for a family of four have increased 62 percent in the past decade, from $8,576 annually in 2000 to $13,871 in 2010. For employer-sponsored health insurance, the most common kind, the worker’s share of the premium jumped 82 percent in that time frame, to $3,721 a year. SOURCE
I'm not sure if you're joking, but the historical rate of inflation is 3.3%. She's getting out ahead of the game, well ahead if health care premiums happened to be a widget that exceeded average inflation. And as it turns out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Inflation works by multiplying every year, so you would do x^11 = 1.62, x = 1.045, 4.5%. What makes it even more striking is that it so happens that the rate of inflation for 2000 to 2010 was only 2.5%. This begs the question, why would businesses peg the premium increase to only 3% rather than 4 or 5? And some people can see this for what it really is...Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Racism.
Uh, yeah? What is so hard to understand about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
It would be a great accomplishment if Obamacare actually lowered the costs of healthcare/premiums and because of that more people wanted to get health insurance all on their own. But forcing people to get health insurance then saying "Look! The uninsured rate is going down!" It's like...what?
That's what you're focusing on?Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff
Weren't you asking the other day for examples of how people are losing income because of Obamacare? And here I am with an example from a friend and all you have to say in return is "Yeah but...why does it go up on their birthday?"
Atta boy, cwolff! Carry Obama's water! CARRY IT!Quote:
Originally Posted by cwolff